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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #300 - Jul 29^th, 2010 at 10:25pm 3 points I'd like to make in here: 1) I am so glad I'm a Christian girl. 2) I have no idea what Atheist women scream during sex. 3) refer 1)
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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #301 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 12:41am Just 2 points Lisa. 1; I am so glad I am an atheist 2; They scream, "Oh Moz! O Moz! O Moz! Actually they really say, "you can't possibly be finished already?
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #302 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 12:44am ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gawd .. you can be just as cheeky as me Mozza
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #303 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 7:13am Lisa - don't be intimidated by the anti-theists around here. It's about time we got a real Christian. orexis leonis magnus est (The lions are starving)
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Reply #304 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 8:00am

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Rubbish - Atheists don't believe in supernatural beings.

I'd contend that Batsy is entirely correct in his statement.
A "Deity" is a supernatural being thought to exist. So too are goblins, fairies, ghosts..etc.

Offer an athiest a million dollars ( or maybe even ten dollars) to stay in a ghost infested house for a night and they'll take up the offer without question.

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Reply #305 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 8:30am

Amadd wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 8:00am:

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Rubbish - Atheists don't believe in supernatural beings.

I'd contend that Batsy is entirely correct in his statement.
A "Deity" is a supernatural being thought to exist. So too are goblins, fairies, ghosts..etc.

Offer an athiest a million dollars ( or maybe even ten dollars) to stay in a ghost infested house for a night and they'll take up the offer without question.

By your logic, dogs like food. People like food.
Therefore dogs are people.

You need to clear the mind a bit before the next test. Grin

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #306 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 1:41pm muso wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 7:13am: Lisa - don't be intimidated by the anti-theists around here. It's about time we got a real Christian. orexis leonis magnus est (The lions are starving) Are you trying to say that some here want to eat me ???
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Reply #307 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 1:47pm

I just find it interesting that when asked what atheists believe in, they inevitably answer 'science'.

I am highly doubtful that most of thse people do their own research, actively look into research done by others, or even hold any science qualification whatsoever....so what is their source on what 'science' tells them?

And what about the things that science cannot explain? isn't that the basis for belief in the 'supernatural'?

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Reply #309 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:14pm

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"I just find it interesting that when asked what atheists believe in, they inevitably answer 'science'."

An ad hominem argument? I've heard very few atheist answer that question that way.

The use of the word "believe" is markedly different when an atheist uses it, as compared to a religious person.

In both cases, they are believing in something that they do not/can not validate for themselves. While the religious have faith in their priests, atheists have faith in 'scientists'. Neither are held up to much scrutiny.

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Reply #310 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:31pm

But atheists have physical reality to bolster their acceptance of scientific explanations.

But that isn't "belief" in the same way as religious belief.

If tomorrow a new, completely radical explanation for something was posited by scientists, the intellectually flexible can adopt the new explanation - can you say the same about the religious?

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Reply #311 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:43pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 1:41pm:

Are you trying to say that some here want to eat me ???

I'd better not say what I'm thinking right now Tongue

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The use of the word "believe" is markedly different when an atheist uses it, as compared to a religious person.

Last time I checked we all had the same brain structure.

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Reply #312 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:46pm

Please delete wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:31pm:

But atheists have physical reality to bolster their acceptance of scientific explanations.

But that isn't "belief" in the same way as religious belief.

If tomorrow a new, completely radical explanation for something was posited by scientists, the intellectually flexible can adopt the new explanation - can you say the same about the religious?

rarely, if ever, does science answer all the questions though.

The creation of the universe is 'factually' due to the big bang.
BUT
Where did the matter come from?

What caused it to go bang?

What happens when the universe stops expanding?

For every question science asnwers, 2 more are raised, and that is why religion will always have a place.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #313 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 6:12pm I don't think science endorses atheism any more than it endorses Deism.
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Reply #314 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 6:20pm

... wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:46pm:

What caused it to go bang?

What happens when the universe stops expanding?

For every question science asnwers, 2 more are raised, and that is why religion will always have a place.

Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if nobody is there to hear it?

If a sound wave is transmitted through matter, would the universe actually go bang before matter started to condense

Of course you're right in what you say Wink

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