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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #345 - Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:22pm "Why does it have to be swamped in mumbo jumbo?" Mystification is not necessary to me. I'm not going to invoke Zeus or yahweh or Gaia. And before you say it, neither am I going to invoke Einstein or Hawkings.
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Reply #347 - Aug 5^th, 2010 at 7:27pm

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"How do you think of the world if not as a concept?"

The planet? A ball of rock, molten at the centre. It's thing, like a road or a continent. A drawing on a page. A photograph taken from space.

The place I exist.

Why does it have to be swamped in mumbo jumbo?

Is it any different to me than it is to my dog?

I'll bet the lady down the road whose leg he humps sure hopes so.

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Reply #348 - Aug 5^th, 2010 at 7:44pm

Please delete wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:22pm:

"Why does it have to be swamped in mumbo jumbo?"

Mystification is not necessary to me. I'm not going to invoke Zeus or yahweh or Gaia.

And before you say it, neither am I going to invoke Einstein or Hawkings.

There's lotsa differences between you and you dog: he is afraid of vacuum cleaners, for starters. Why are all animals afraid of vacuum cleaners but not humans? Wink

People say that there is ONLY 3 % difference between our genetic material and that of apes, as if that proved our animal nature. But it i that 3 % that is really important and accounts for speech, fire, expressways, poetry, the Marx Brothers and art and all the rest of it.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #349 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 6:29am Quote: Why are all animals afraid of vacuum cleaners but not humans? I cringe at the sound of a vacuum cleaner. It means that in the near future I'm going to need to lift my legs. But what do vacuum cleaners have to do with religious beliefs? Is it something to do with being sucked in?
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #350 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 8:22am "Is it something to do with being sucked in?" Lol. Blowing hot air. Noisy and unwelcome. A waste of a good sunday morning.
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Reply #352 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 9:56am

Please delete wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:22pm:

And before you say it, neither am I going to invoke Einstein or Hawkings.

Good, then I can: Einstein siad, "the only unintelligible thing about the universe is that it is intelligible."

(Not your dog, though. ed.)

This is the grown-up way of asking why is there anything rather than nothing.

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Reply #353 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 10:51am

Soren wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 9:56am:

Good, then I can: Einstein siad, "the only unintelligible thing about the universe is that it is intelligible."

(Not your dog, though. ed.)

This is the grown-up way of asking why is there anything rather than nothing.

- but he didn't go to church on Sunday mornings, and he didn't go to Synagogue on Saturday mornings either.

Your 'anything' is different from Einstein's.

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Ziggy Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #354 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:26am Atheism is on par with not believing in tooth fairies. And I'd say there's nothing religious in not believing in tooth fairies.
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Reply #355 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:37am

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:26am:

Atheism is on par with not believing in tooth fairies. And I'd say there's nothing religious in not believing in tooth fairies.

One could also argue that atheism is on par with burying your head in the sand, as to be truly atheistic, there are many unexplainable things you have to ignore.

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Reply #356 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:45am

What if I said that most people who call themselves atheists are actually adeists ?

I'd be interested in the reaction of those who think that Atheism is a religion according to their personal definition of Atheism.

Would you regard Adeism as a religion?

Let me explain Adeism as follows:

Adeism is identical to the position of weak atheism, nontheism, or negative atheism. Adeists, unlike atheists, are unwilling to make the positive claim of belief that a God does not exist. The adeist lacks a belief, or is without a belief in God. This is not to be confused with agnosticism, which states that the existence of God cannot be known. It is rather the suspension of belief that is the crux of the adeist position.

The adeistic position is dependent on the philosophical burden of proof. When faced in an argument with the question "Can you prove that God does not exist?", the adeist may remind the opponent that (s)he has made no such claim of non-existence. The burden then remains on the theist who makes a positive claim for existence.

For the purposes of those calling themselves atheists, Adeism is basically identical to atheism for most atheists. It's a term devised entirely to placate the most anal of monotheistic supers.

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Reply #357 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:45am

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:37am:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:26am:

Atheism is on par with not believing in tooth fairies. And I'd say there's nothing religious in not believing in tooth fairies.

One could also argue that atheism is on par with burying your head in the sand, as to be truly atheistic, there are many unexplainable things you have to ignore.

What do inexplicable things have to do with atheism? If they're inexplicable then they're inexplicable regardless of what you believe in.

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Reply #358 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:47am

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:45am:

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:37am:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:26am:

Atheism is on par with not believing in tooth fairies. And I'd say there's nothing religious in not believing in tooth fairies.

One could also argue that atheism is on par with burying your head in the sand, as to be truly atheistic, there are many unexplainable things you have to ignore.

What do inexplicable things have to do with atheism? If they're inexplicable then they're inexplicable regardless of what you believe in.

Not if you can explain them as being the 'work of god'

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Reply #359 - Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:53am

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:47am:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:45am:

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:37am:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:26am:

Atheism is on par with not believing in tooth fairies. And I'd say there's nothing religious in not believing in tooth fairies.

One could also argue that atheism is on par with burying your head in the sand, as to be truly atheistic, there are many unexplainable things you have to ignore.

What do inexplicable things have to do with atheism? If they're inexplicable then they're inexplicable regardless of what you believe in.

Not if you can explain them as being the 'work of god'

Then they wouldn't be inexplicable by definition. That something inexplicable happens and someone comes along and claims that God did it doesn't make it explicable. They've just appended an empty label to it.

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