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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #450 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 7:50pm Quote: Atheism is no religion but it ain't necessarily any less dogmatic or demagogic for that. If anything, atheism is the result of the 'dogmatic' gene's whats that soren? are you suggesting that we are biologically predilected to behave in a particular way?
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Reply #451 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 7:52pm

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

Atheism is no religion but it ain't necessarily any less dogmatic or demagogic for that. If anything, atheism is the result of the 'dogmatic' gene's need to settle on some certainty, no matter how petty. It's the worm's declaration of 'there are no worm-gods'. Whoa! Big smacking intellectual milestone, that one.

Being against religious indoctrination in not the monopoly of atheists - something that is not, alas, needless to say.

Well Phillip Adams is no worm, but I was happy to see that he finds Dawkins as "irritating" as I do.

In the most recent LNL, one of the participants put it well. She described them as the New Atheists, paraphrased - the smirking arrogant type of atheist who shows no respect for the experiences of others.

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Reply #452 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 7:55pm

i was an atheist before the new atheists were even cool and i had even heard of richard dawkins man

i just realised that religion was stupid when i was about 14 and made a massive fanfic similar to that argument that richard dawkins uses about the flying invisible teapot except it involved a gigantic meat pie creating the universe

then i turned about 17 years old and stopped caring about atheism because i realised that religion isnt the cause of all the bad things in the world (that is the fault of the way the human brain is designed) and actually does some good as an organizing principle for society

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #453 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 8:06pm Most of my friends are Moderate Atheists .. thank God
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Reply #454 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 8:07pm

aikmann4 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2010 at 7:55pm:

i was an atheist before the new atheists were even cool and i had even heard of richard dawkins man

i just realised that religion was stupid when i was about 14 and made a massive fanfic similar to that argument that richard dawkins uses about the flying invisible teapot except it involved a gigantic meat pie creating the universe

then i turned about 17 years old and stopped caring about atheism because i realised that religion isnt the cause of all the bad things in the world (that is the fault of the way the human brain is designed) and actually does some good as an organizing principle for society

I used to be Atheistic too. Now I'm just Ignostic. (no typo)

If the Laws of the Universe can be defined as God, or the Universe itself can be described as God, I can't reasonably object to that version of god, nor the Deist God for that matter.

An Atheist on the other hand, doesn't believe in any gods, including the examples I gave above.

Imperium - I think we have similar beliefs.

Lisa - your beliefs are also similar to mine, at least since it's Friday and I choose to be a Catholic every friday.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #455 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 8:11pm I tend to stay away from Extremist Atheists .. they're fanatics you know
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #456 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 8:12pm Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 15^th, 2010 at 8:11pm: I tend to stay away from Extremist Atheists .. they're fanatics you know Oh I know, but he's quite a good moderator.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #457 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 8:17pm LMAO! Good to see you in fine form tonight Muso
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Reply #458 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 8:20pm

i was raised catholic.. my dad is a vague french catholic, but he doesnt really care about religion that much i guess. i gave up christianity for some fairly heterodox reasons i suppose a few years ago and adopted norse mythology, sort of.. but i dont think ir eally believed in it because i thought it was true but because i appreciated its cultural value.. now im not really anything, i gues sim just an agnostic. i still like mythology though

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #459 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 9:29pm aikmann4 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2010 at 7:55pm: i realised that religion isnt the cause of all the bad things in the world (that is the fault of the way the human brain is designed) 'ello, 'ello, 'ello, what 'ave we 'ere, then?!? Attributing conscious, intelligent agency to a non-existent designer who designs??
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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #460 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 9:52pm Now now, frien. That wasn't meant to mean that buddy - no sirree. I meant to say structured. You contemptuous-of-HBD arsehole.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #461 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 9:52pm LOL! I would have said .. Attributing conscious, intelligent agency to a non-existent designer whose designs suck. And it all makes perfect sense if you've had a few glasses (or bottles) of grog too .. smirk
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #462 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 9:55pm I meant to say structured. - Imperium You love synonyms .. don't you?
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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #463 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 9:59pm The terms aren't totally interchangable there. "Designed" more strongly implies there that the human brain has been consciously constructed. Structured deviates away more from that, I think.
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Reply #464 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 10:01pm

darkhall67 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2010 at 4:33pm:

What does spiritual mean anyway?

Believers seem to think that atheists are so devoid of "something" that they cant revel in the beauty of a sunset, or feel awe in a rainforest or see the intrinsic value of a waterfall or bunny shaped cloud.

Those are the kinds of things believers think we atheists are missing out on because we arent "spiritual".

Well we do.

I agree. I think you answered your own question. I regard a spiritual experience as being derived from our deepest instincts emanating from the limbic system and the hippocampus.

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