Do you want evidence that God exists.

Here you go....

http://www.innovationwatch.com/deepchange/books/bks_1402735227.htm

The divine proportion...there is no way that the numerous occurances of this occuring in nature and science, could of possibly occurred by chance?

It is evidence that the universe was created...by a creator.

mozzaok wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 10:18pm:


"This is the Book; in it is guidance sure without doubt to those who fear Allah.
Who believe in the Unseen are steadfast in prayer and spend out of what We have provided for them.
nd who believe in the Revelation sent to thee and sent before thy time and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
They are on (true) guidance from their Lord and it is these who will prosper.
As to those who reject Faith it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day" but they do not (really) believe.
Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe but they only deceive themselves and realize (it) not!
In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they (incur) because they are false (to themselves).
When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth" they say: "Why we only want to make peace!"
Of a surety they are the ones who make mischief but they realize (it) not.
When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe" they say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" nay of a surety they are the fools buy they do not know.
When they meet those who believe they say: "We believe" but when they are alone with their evil ones they say: "We are really with you we (were) only jesting."
Allah will throw back their mockery on them and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (to and fro).
These are they who have bartered guidance for error: but their traffic is profitless and they have lost true direction.
Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness so they could not see.
Deaf dumb and blind they will not return (to the path)."

Lestat wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 10:03pm:


There are plenty of occurrences of other constants in science and nature that are independent of Phi,
http://www.ebyte.it/library/educards/constants/ConstantsOfPhysicsAndMath.html

Assuming that they are there not by chance then they evidence that there were many independent creators. Either that or the assumption of non chance is wrong the same as with Phi.

The way of a materialist is to look at clouds and see the weather patterns, to look at sand and see zircon, rutile and concrete, to look at stars and to see Helium 3 and places to colonise.
Is it practical and earthly or idealistic and divine?

What is the word for being anti-religious?

Personally, I couldn't care less that people have a perception of what God is or isn't. I'm even interested to know their perceptions on the subject.
What does bother me though, is that some people think that they know what he (it's usually referred to as "he" isn't it?) said, and they also profess to know the instructions that he gave mankind.
I hear this type of talk practically every day, and I see different religions and their sects arguing about God's truth.
So if an theist doesn't believe in deities, a theist does, and an agnostic is open to possibilities, then what do you call somebody who doesn't believe in religion?

I found an interesting concept of the beliefs in Gods in a book called:
"The origins of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind, by Julian Jaynes".

I haven't read this book in it's entirety; it's a mighty big read, and not an easy one at that.

In a nutshell, it concerns the rise of consciousness over the past few thousand years and an ever diminishing requirement for direction from Gods due to the way in which we use our minds.

There are plenty of reviews around on this book as it still remains to be a controversial one.
Here's a few comments on it:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22478.The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Brea...

I'm still waiting to hear about the evidence that supports the claim that God exists. Either present the evidence or admit that there isn't any.

I was just having a jibe at you over your statement about consciousness arising over the last few thousand years.