And in the NSW Liebor Party they have thrown the victims away again - just like in Queensland with Dr Death.  Yes Aussie, that is the Dr Death you want to defend from we barbaric Australians.

How about the 'butcher'?

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So while Little Cardboard Kevvy is sobbing out sorry for children who were most likely saved from difficult environments, his cronies in NSW don't give a phuq about women who suffered terribly at the hands of the 'butcher'.

Does anyone else see a contradiction here?  Does anyone else see a Party which pretends to care until the time comes to show it?

personally i'm looking forward to the investigations and full parlimentary inquiries into the past rorts committed by past ministers of the howards neocons. wonder if our mate woolyone will get a look in

i'll give it about a year before they tend to the matter. that'll give it just about the right timing for a juicy senate enquiry to give a finding a ministerial lies and political tampering in the "children overboard" affair. right after the enquiry into porkbarrelling over the last couple of terms of office for jh and his neocronies and contemptibles. soon followed by a senate oversight into the mishandling of the lastest booboos in military purchasing (perhaps even a hint of paybacks) - the list goes on and on and on............... enuff for three or four terms. wonder how long before nelson finds himself capt of the bounty.  hahaha

However if you're looking for rorts the Liebor Party is full of them - why even today Little Kevvy was sprung accepting travel and grog from a Chinese company for . . . .  well . . . .  no reason at all?  Methinks a bribe smells this way.



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freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2008 at 9:49pm:


Ha ha ha ha ha ha.  You are smelling desperate.  A set of golf clubs from a chum?   Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

But strangely you forgot to post a significant part of the story.  I wonder why . . . .

From the same link . . .

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So the gifts Mr Rudd accepted were below the 'allowable limit' mentioned there?

You might be onto something here Deepfort. Politicians accepting gifts, forwarding the appropriate paperwork, paying any necessary amounts into public coffers. Who would have thought eh?

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from crikey:

The Opposition finally got cracking on the Government’s links with Chinese communications company Beijing AustChina in Question Time yesterday, although its attack rather lacked bite.

First Communications spokesman Bruce Billson, then Shadow Foreign Minister Andrew Robb – who has substance but frankly lacks a bit of presence at the Dispatch Box – asked Kevin Rudd about his trip to Darfur in 2006, paid for by Beijing AustChina as part of a trip to the US, the UK and China.

It has since been revealed that, in addition to funding several of his overseas trips, AustChina presented Rudd with a bottle of Grange. This isn’t exactly unusual – if you want to know why the stuff is so expensive, look no further than the hordes of lobbyists and companies that shower bottles of the stuff on politicians.

Beijing AustChina has also hired PR flacks Parker & Partners to handle the issue.

Rudd’s answers yesterday – later corrected – were interesting for two reasons. He defended his use of sponsored overseas travel as a shadow Minister on the basis that no-one else was going to pay for his visits overseas. Beijing AustChina has since confirmed this, saying that it likes to provide travel support for Opposition MPs who may wish to develop an interest in China.

However, even if we accept that Opposition MPs should have their portfolio responsibilities partly funded by commercial interests, it leaves the other members of the AustChina Five in a tricky position. Wayne Swan might at a stretch be able to argue that, as shadow Treasurer, visiting the key source of Australia’s resources boom twice at the expense of AustChina was appropriate. Tony Burke insists that his AustChina-sponsored five trips to China were purely in his capacity as Labor’s Immigration spokesman. One trip to visit an important source of migrants for Australia, perhaps – but five? And as for Bernie Ripoll and Kim Wilkie – both were backbenchers.

Rudd also made a point of declaring that in Darfur he was "hosted" by World Vision. "Hosted" is a rather nebulous term and shouldn’t be confused – as perhaps Rudd would like it to be – with "paid for". World Vision has confirmed to Crikey that its involvement with Rudd’s trip to Darfur was limited to Rudd speaking to Tim Costello before and after the trip, and meeting World Vision program officers while there.

This rather smacks of Rudd using Tim Costello as a moral shield. Indeed, the entire trip to Sudan, however well-intentioned, has the look of being tacked on to Rudd’s Women’s Weekly World Discovery Tour on the AustChina account as a justification for enjoying their largesse.

And let’s stop tiptoeing around an issue at the heart of all this. Rudd’s oft-proclaimed Sinophilia means he must have strong connections with a brutal dictatorship that, as events in Tibet are currently demonstrating, savagely suppresses dissent and imprisons and executes its opponents. China’s role in Darfur has been heavily criticised. And there are also rumours that AustChina has links with the Sudanese military -- categorically denied by an AustChina spokesman this morning. AustChina has denied having any commercial role in Sudan. However, Q-Mac International, a West Australian based firm and an affiliate of AustChina, sold high-frequenecy radios to the Sudanese army in 2003, according to reports from Amnesty International.

This has a way to go yet.

you know the old saying - you can only trust those you pay...

freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2008 at 8:11pm:



I don't think it's the wine that's the issue.  If you comprehended all the news rather than the bits you only seem able to see you would find it is the donation to the ALP of more than double that figure, apparently for services yet to be provided . . . . . .

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Dooley wrote on Mar 18^th, 2008 at 10:05pm:


I can understand that Dooley. 

After all you failed to see the definition of 'utter' on the website you linked to. 

And you failed to see the truth about the UN's position on the legality or otherwise of the 'invasion' of Iraq on the website you linked to.

I'm not at all surprised to see that once again you are selectively blind.

Have you considered opening both eyes to gain a balanced perspective Dooley?

Little Cardboard Kevvy Liar maintains his treatment of the mushrooms by being vewy, vewy secretive about his contra deals . . . . . .



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freediver wrote on Mar 19^th, 2008 at 9:10am:



Impressive swerving but the amount of the donation to the Nats was brought up by you and Little Kevvy.

It's the graft of paid holidays - for what?  They reckon that Liebor offers a better 'opportunity' for them.  How do they know unless the deal has already been struck . . . .

freediver wrote on Mar 19^th, 2008 at 10:54am:



Discussing ethicality or morality with you (and leftards generally) is similar to discussing beautiful landscapes with a blind man.  No matter how much detail you provide they will never see it.

I suppose we rightys should simply accept that leftards take bribery and corruption in their stride - it's a way of life for them.

However I will never lay down for the Liebor Party to walk on me as you seem eager to do.

deepthought wrote on Mar 19^th, 2008 at 12:07pm:



righturds could never understand the vagaries of life outside the myopoic bubble they assume contains all their is to know as the leftys have an natural inclination to do. inclusion and social cohesion are the mainstay of the socialist life, while righturds aim to cause fraction amongst the populace to make it easier to rule....

IQSRLOW ?????

inclusion and social cohesion are the mainstay of the socialist life

Bwahahaha- history proves you wrong in so many ways

make it easier to rule....

I am glad that you know your place Dooley and accept that Righties know best to rule which we have done since time began and society has made great leaps forward because of us despite the like of you holding mankind back.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Meantime a Qld Liebor minister has been sprung telling porkies - by one of his own!




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Dooley wrote on Mar 24^th, 2008 at 1:27pm:



Perhaps prison for a few more Liebor mates might make them realise that people are important, it's not just about making yourself rich and looking after your Liebor mates.


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deepthought wrote on Mar 15^th, 2008 at 7:32am:


Well I think the worst thing a government could do would be to illegally invade another country, as the rodent did, or even worse would be to sell iron to an enemy as the japanese were during ww2 and ofcouse pig iron bob Menzies did that, both should have been dragged before the courts and charged with their unaustralian actions.

deepthought wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 11:06am:


Its in all the history books, Why do you think Menzies nickname was PIGIRON BOB? look if you know so little about oz politics why do you persist with your posting on a political website? you cant rewrite history nothought its all there in black and white for all to see. As for the rodent, the only people who dont believe he invaded another country without UN aproval are himself and those gullible enough to believe him, like you.

deepthought wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 11:21am:


Its not my job to explain things to you that are tought to 10 year olds in school, maybe your a blow in since ww2 and you never learnt history at an Australian school, try going to tech they have classes for people like you who have had a limited education.

deepthought wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:33pm:


From menzies oficial bio--

"In 1938, waterside unions put a ban on the export of iron to Japan in protest of Japanese actions in Manchuria (China). Menzies threatened them with Transport Workers’ Act 1929, and so forced them to load iron for Japan. Subsequently, he earnt the nickname "Pig Iron Bob"


Which Japan sent back to Australia in the form of bombs. I'll tell you what nothought, seeing as though you like everyone to put things in black and white, why dont you show me somthing that disputes what ive said. It seems my assumption you did not go to school in oz was correct so therefore you obviosly know bugger all about australia's past, and from the crap you write do not understand its present or recent past either.

deepthought wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 3:37pm:


Nothought you are clearly unaustralian but then your not really an ozzie at all are you?  it seems you know more about Japan than you do Oz, maybe your a nip, as for the rodent unless you have been living under a rock for the past 12 years (which may explain a lot) its your hero's nickname aptly named the lying little rodent by a member of his own party.

deepthought wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 3:51pm:



Whats the point, you live in denial, my 5 year old has better comprehension skills than you. Its all there for anyone who wants to look at the facts but you old chap seem to prefer fiction, a trait commonly practiced by right whingers.

IQSRLOW wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 1:39pm:


Oh goody I'm being trolled by noiq, lucky me, your so witty,ha ha ha

IQSRLOW wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 1:51pm:


Noiq, thats it I like it when you talk dirty, your a bit like a mozzy arn't you always buzzing about aimlessly. Hey havn't seen you at cracker lately, oh thats right your banned from there too, gee you must be running out of places to troll.

try linux and a couple of others atheist.   

Shes so hard to pick...lol

deepthought wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 3:50pm:


Any ozy would know Menzies was selling iron to japan, if you want to refute that go ahead , no one with an Australian education would be that silly, as for the rodent I sugest you do a bit of reading elsewhere, those far right loony neo con papers you are reading are dulling your brain.

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2008 at 1:33pm:




It's probably already mentioned among all that gibber ^^^^^^^ above DT, but the sale of iron to Japan pre-War was how he earned the tag "Pig Iron Bob."  There was general bitterness that what Bob sold to the Japs our Diggers were shot with it.

deepthought wrote on Mar 31^st, 2008 at 6:21pm:


No, just unaustralian. Menzies was more interested in Britain than Australia.He wouldn't even fight for his country,Menzies resigned his officers commision in 1915 to ensure he was not sent overseas to fight for his country, he was not a brave man.

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Impressive swerving but I thought you said

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First the Japanese were not 'an enemy' as we were not in a war with Japan.

Second the iron sales you talk about were before any war Australia was involved in had begun - WW2 did not commence until 1939 and Japan did not join until a couple of years later.

Third 'unaustralian' is subjective and is not a crime.

Fourth the government should determine foreign trade issues - not unions - that's what they are elected for.

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Sticking the neck out here a tad, 'cause I haven't checked but I reckon that ^^^^ from DT, is convenient.

Memory suggests to me that when Pig Iron Bob was flogging our stuff to Japan, they had invaded China.

No, not really.  It could easily be argued, in hindsight, that Pig Iron Bob helped arm the Japs for WWII.  He certainly presented the raw material which assisted the Japs to invade China.

................and DT, it was all 'down hill' from there, was it not?

ergo, the flip side of the Thread..............Lieberal, a haven for (war) criminals.

Menzies gave the Japs some of the metal they needed to kill our Diggers.

None of that, at all, DT.

Fact is............he helped arm Japan to invade eg, China.  (It did not stop there, of course.)

Do you wish to argue that was for the benefit of the Chinese people?

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2008 at 7:54pm:



No.  It was for the benefit of our two peoples.  Australia and Japan.  China was not a party to the trade and is irrelevant.

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2008 at 8:29pm:



Sadly, but as always, you are dead wrong.

First no one can tell the future (despite Aussie's revelations about the clairvoyant skills of Bob Menzies).   It is naive to believe it is so.

Second no one knows in advance a war, or any war, will break out - even up to the eve of it.  It is naive to think anything is certain.

Third the Japanese were not an 'enemy' of Australia in 1937-8.  It is naive to think they were.

Fourth the Commonwealth Constitution deals with matters of international trade - it is naive to think you know better than the framers of it.

Fifth neither the government nor any individual may break laws - our constitional democracy is founded on the rule of law.  Only the naive thinks that complying with the constitution is lower than legality.

Fifth Saddam Hussein is not relevant to China nor Japan.  It is naive to think he has any bearing on this off topic meandering.

Fact is DT......Pig Iron Bob sold the Japs stuff, ours, they needed to wage a War, one which directly led into WWII, and there is no way you can argue otherwise.

You can prance, dance and postulate, but it will not re-write history.

Your are correct DT- naivety in the extreme.

Requoted so that maybe Aussie will get it...one day

IQ, it's not just hindsight. He was criticised at the time for doing it. When a country starts invading it's neighbours, it doesn't exactly take a genious to figure out that they are a threat to everyone. Menzies may have tried to ignore this inconvienient issue, but it was obvious to the rest of the country.

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2008 at 9:30pm:


Pig Iron Kev?  What do you reckon freediver?  It's your belief the Chinese are a threat to everyone, yet Pig Iron Kevvy is racing to trade with them.  An illegal act?  Lower than illegality?  What are your thoughts now it is your hero Cardboard Kev?



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