freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2008 at 7:46pm:


The UN set up the sanctions regime.

The UN set up the OFF program.

The UN oversaw the OFF program and the sale of goods to Iraq.

The UN appeared to officially condone kickbacks.

The UN oversaw billions of dollars of such kickbacks.

Did the UN 'reasonably forsee' the outcome?

You did put the AWB in a war when you built this strawman.  You said they "gave money to Saddam, an enemy of the state, while there were laws in palce specifically forbidding this. That money no doubt ended up aiding the enemy while we were at war with them".

You also said the AWB "contributed to the deaths of innocent Iraqis and allied soldiers".  When did it do that?  Outside a war or in a war?

Yes you did say the exact opposite about the drunk which is why I say you speak in riddles.  While you maintain some people can "reasonably forsee" the future and know where their money is to be spent, others can not.  Why not?

And no more riddles.  They confuse Aussie because he re-posts them.

Aussie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2008 at 8:14pm:



The AWB could not have supplied anything at all without the UN.  They ran the program, signed off on the shipments and paid the bills.

mantra has defamed them by calling them complicit in acts of terror.

Despite freediver's riddles, puzzlement about the time of the events, confused thinking and denials he said what he said, the facts remain.

And despite your Dr Seuss stories, skidding wildly about the place dragging in red herrings and shifting the goal posts completely off the field it is still true that mantra defamed them.

As I have said all along the truth is constant and your flurry of strawmen, strawwomen and strawpeople haven't changed that.

Aussie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2008 at 8:21pm:


Yes.

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2008 at 8:49pm:


I'm not hung up on anything.

I was discussing Haneef when mantra started in on defaming the AWB and I was telling her to be wary of her language.

The AWB did what they did but they were not complicit in any acts of terror.

What they did, along with thousands of others for whom there will be no consequences, was illegal and it is reported that they will be charged with the appropriate offences.  I have maintained that the appropriate charges will be in line with the findings by Cole, the AFP and ASIC.

Your speculation, mantra's defamation and Aussie's Dr Seuss stories are a long way removed from the facts as those authorities knows them to be.

That's it.

OK, I'll rephrase so you don't get hung up on the hung up term:

Deepthought do you think it was reasonable to expect the AWB to forsee that their money might assist Saddam in killing innocent Iraqis or allied soldiers, but not necessarily terrorism?

Aussie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2008 at 9:21pm:


Have you fixed your bike?  I thought it must have been busted because usually you only last a few posts before backpedalling off.

I need no coat tugging.  You're about as easy an opponent as it gets dude.  The moment you start shifting the goal posts I know it's just a short hop onto your bike.  I can read you like a Dr Seuss book.

Okay, DT.

I already responded to your silly questions a few times by rejecting the premise. The sensible response to that is to consider the premise, not repeat the question in the hope I will accept it.