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Reply #30 - May 27^th, 2008 at 5:15pm

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Perhaps if this weren't such a taboo, this girl wouldn't feel so insecure about what is happening to her body:

I'm sure boys go through a similar experience with just as many insecurities - and I wonder how the general male population would react if a young boy was depicted in a similar way by Henson. Would pederast be shouted from the rooftops?

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12yo girl wins sex change

Now that is unbelievable and in Australia as well. What happens if she turns 16 and suddenly decides she wants to be a girl after all.

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Reply #31 - May 27^th, 2008 at 5:18pm

I'm sure boys go through a similar experience with just as many insecurities

Yeah, we get pimples and our voices break. I don't think it compares to growing breasts and bleeding, but I guess that depends on how big the pimple gets and how hard you squeeze it.

I wonder how the general male population would react if a young boy was depicted in a similar way by Henson.

We'd probably dismiss it as gay, but I doubt we'd get all wound up. I was not under the impression that it was feminism driving this reaction - I thought the reaction was comparable between the sexes.

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Reply #32 - May 27^th, 2008 at 5:31pm

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We'd probably dismiss it as gay, but I doubt we'd get all wound up. I was not under the impression that it was feminism driving this reaction - I thought the reaction was comparable between the sexes.

Now that's interesting FD - you would probably dismiss it as gay, but plenty of males would be furious and certainly wouldn't define a full frontal photo of a pubescent boy as artistic - nor would females for that matter. There would be an uproar.

Why is it artistic for a female, but gay for a male?

Feminism isn't driving this reaction at all. Some of the loudest dissenters appear to be older males.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49003 At my desk.	Re: In the name of Art Reply #33 - May 27^th, 2008 at 5:35pm I didn't say it wouldn't be artistic for a male. I said the public reaction would differ.
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: In the name of Art Reply #34 - May 27^th, 2008 at 5:48pm That was my point FD - you said you would probably dismiss a photo of a nude boy as gay (maybe artistic), but because the model was a girl, the photo was only artistic.
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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: In the name of Art Reply #35 - May 27^th, 2008 at 5:58pm What about Michaelangelo's David?
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Reply #36 - May 27^th, 2008 at 6:04pm

OMG! I can see his bits! LOL. Actually, you occasionally here about serious attempts by people to cover up his genitals because some school group is touring the museum. Probably the same people who see pedophiles everywhere.

Mantra, I'm not sure what you're reading into my post, but that's not what I'm saying. Though I'm not really sure what you are saying. I'm not saying the photo was artistic because it was a girl, I'm saying it was artistic because it was artistic.

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Reply #37 - May 27^th, 2008 at 6:07pm

Neferti - sculptures are a little different to nude photography, which has only really taken off as "art" over the last couple of decades. To be painted or sculptured nude - the model has to sit or stand immobile during most of the process - which could take months, or longer. In photography, they have to consistently be moved around.

Sometimes I think nude photography is just a ruse for perverts, although I see the need for this to feed the appetites of some of the adult population. As long as the model is an adult - the reasons don't matter so much.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49003 At my desk.	Re: In the name of Art Reply #38 - May 27^th, 2008 at 6:08pm Neferti - sculptures are a little different to nude photography, which has only really taken off as "art" over the last couple of decades. You mean like, since artists could afford cameras?
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: In the name of Art Reply #39 - May 27^th, 2008 at 6:12pm I'm not inferring you're gay FD. You said you would dismiss photos of boys as gay - so why wouldn't you use a negative tag for a girl - maybe exploitative?
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Reply #40 - May 27^th, 2008 at 6:17pm

Actually, I said we, not I. I was speaking on behalf of the broader male population, referring to the tendency to avoid anything that could be interpretted as homosexual, which is rather strong in Australian culture. I didn't mean to imply that this was an appropraite response, more that people wouldn't care very much. Obviously if "I" thought about it, "I" would not make an equally inappropriate response to a naked girl, but would give the gay art proper consideration.

Perhaps when I said dismiss, you interpretted this to mean 'attack' in the same way the witch hunters have to dismiss the artistic merit of the photo to attack it as porn. That isn't what I meant.

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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: In the name of Art Reply #41 - May 27^th, 2008 at 6:25pm That's OK - I thought that, but it was a good line to use for my argument anyway.
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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: In the name of Art Reply #42 - May 27^th, 2008 at 10:18pm This could be considered art then.
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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: In the name of Art Reply #43 - May 27^th, 2008 at 10:20pm And this
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38671 Gender:	Re: In the name of Art Reply #44 - May 28^th, 2008 at 5:04pm Nah, that's crap!
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