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Reply #180 - Jun 14th, 2008 at 9:34am
 
This is about whether the majority of Muslims support terrorism. They clearly don't, or there would be far more of it. Your position flies in the face of reality. I feel no need to prove the bleeding obvious. Your argument - that the majority do support terrorism - is flawed. It is illogical. No-one is going to bother disproving it because no-one is going to take it seriously enough to bother. Your inability to back it up in any meaningful way is evidence enough that you are wrong.
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Reply #181 - Jun 14th, 2008 at 10:36am
 
It is a matter of degree FD, support comes in varied, and many forms.

I cannot help but think of the old joke where the guy asks a girl if she would have sex with him for a million dollars?
She says, "Yes".
He then says, "Here is twenty bucks, let's do it"
To which she replies, "What do you think I am?"
He answers, "We have already established that, now we are just haggling over the price." Roll Eyes
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Reply #182 - Jun 14th, 2008 at 2:14pm
 
The majority of Muslims oppose terrorism and do not support it either explicitly or implicitly. It's a stupid suggestion.
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Reply #183 - Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:20pm
 
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This is about whether the majority of Muslims support terrorism. They clearly don't, or there would be far more of it.


Apply this to Ireland.

The vast majority of Irish people have sympathies (read: non implicit support) for the IRA, even though the vast majority of Irish people would not join or fight with the IRA.

I honestly feel a very significant percentage of Muslims support terrorism and are anti Western.
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Reply #184 - Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:45pm
 
You can feel sympathy for someone without supporting terrorism. This is just an acknowledgement of the reality of the situation they are in, not support for their solution. People don't just turn to terrorism because of religion or because they like violence. They always have a political grievance, which they share with a large number of people.
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Reply #185 - Jun 14th, 2008 at 7:33pm
 
easel wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:20pm:
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This is about whether the majority of Muslims support terrorism. They clearly don't, or there would be far more of it.


Apply this to Ireland.

The vast majority of Irish people have sympathies (read: non implicit support) for the IRA, even though the vast majority of Irish people would not join or fight with the IRA.

I honestly feel a very significant percentage of Muslims support terrorism and are anti Western.


Another example exactly similar would be the Maquis in France during the Second World War.

They used very similar tactics to the IRA during this period.
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Reply #186 - Jun 14th, 2008 at 8:10pm
 
Not really. Resistance fighting during hostile occupation during war is a lot different to terrorism and what the IRA do and did.
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Reply #187 - Jun 15th, 2008 at 12:30am
 
The IRA might have classified British occupation of Northern Ireland as hostile.

How do you define terrorist activity as opposed to guerrilla warfare or freedom fighters? Does it depend on who writes the history?

Don't get me wrong here - I'm against violence of all kinds.

On September 11th 2001 I was on a flight between London Heathrow and Dakar Senegal. There was an amazing sense of celebration in the air the next day. The anti-American feeling in Africa runs deep, and the horrific events of the day before were seen as some kind of twisted victory. I deliberately refused to acknowledge some of the taunts on the streets. People automatically associated Caucasians with Americans. I stopped responding in English and put on my best French Gitan/Midi accent, and they stopped bothering me.

Two days later I was in a market in Bamako Mali, and the biggest selling items there were Osama Bin Laden teeshirts.

It wasn't about sponsoring terrorism. It was about the fact that the US, the World Police, suddenly looked vulnerable. It was an ideological victory, but it had nothing to do with religion. 

In largely Christian Ghana, I sensed a similar feeling a week later, although it was not quite so blatant.
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Reply #188 - Jun 16th, 2008 at 9:50am
 
Just a slight correction. The flight was between Paris and Dakar. I returned via Heathrow.
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Reply #189 - Jun 16th, 2008 at 6:44pm
 
Yeah, they all hate America, yet their the first ones they call for help and aide, they love American money though.
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Reply #190 - Jun 16th, 2008 at 7:25pm
 
A lot of the poverty in third world countries is caused by American farm subsidies. Australian farmers have every right to be pissed off at America for undermining their income. For an African, it means they cannot send their children to school, or afford shoes, or condoms. The Africans would much rpefer America cut their subsidies. Handouts come a distant second.
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Reply #191 - Jun 16th, 2008 at 7:36pm
 
The biggest seller in many of these countries is second hand clothes from the US. Many US teenagers just wear their clothes once, and the second hand versions on sale in Ghana, Guinea and Senegal are as good as new.

Of course they try to sell the same items to Caucasians for more than the new price.
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Reply #192 - Jun 16th, 2008 at 7:54pm
 
Is that where donated clothes end up? My experience with poor countries is that they are selling cheap knockoffs, but they are new. Or if there is a genuine factory there, you can usually get the real thing, without the 'rich westerner' markup and import duties you get back home.

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Reply #193 - Jun 16th, 2008 at 8:39pm
 
Its usually corrupt governments, army and police that make these countries poor, not to mention civil war every five minutes. Its a big world, there are other countries to trade with. Free trade is not free, its for the rich to get richer quicker, even the poor dont benefit from it.
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Reply #194 - Jun 16th, 2008 at 10:28pm
 
US farm subsidies reduce food prices and farmers income over the entire world, not just in the US. It affects Australian farmers also.
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