lapaz62 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2008 at 8:46pm:

I was born and raised in Australia and still am here..

I'm interested in these records also. It's absurd to simply 'agree to disagree' on a question of historical fact. Do you have records, or are you just assuming the Muslims did something wrong?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 9:52pm:


It sounds like common practice for the era. The Holy Roman emperor Charlemagne ordered 4500 Saxon rebels to be executed in one morning for refusing to convert to Christianity. That was around 782 from memory, about 150 years after this deed.

Then there were the Crusades. In one battle alone - the Battle of Askalon, 200,000 were slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ".

Nicetas Choniates: "Even the Saracens are merciful and kind compared to these men who bear the cross of Christ on their shoulders".

That was only the beginning. Add to that about the 2 million who died  as a result of the Spanish Inquisition, nearly 9 million witches that were executed through the ages... So much for freedom of religion.

Do you really want to 'cast the first stone" Sprint?

feel free to answer the quetion malik.

if the jews became muslims, they would not be beheaded and their blood fill the trenches ?
But none did.
Is that a compulsion to a religion ?
That which mohammad said did not exist ?

or is this where abrogation comes in?

feel free anyone to open a thread about queries re christians.
I'm happy to honestly answer.
malik is unwilling to answer this question repeatedly put to him.

pope urban 2 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2008 at 11:08pm:


They were treated according to their own laws. Let's examine Jewish law in this situation. The Banu Qurayza conspired against the Islamic State with the Pagans and fought against the state. They committed treason and engaged in battle against the Muslims. Jewish Law dictates the following:

Deutronomy 20:10-15

When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

Those Jews were dealt with according to their own laws. The difference is that Muhammad pbuh offered to spare the lives of any people who converted because by accepting Islam they would be free from sin and not liable to Jewish law.

Say what you want about that, but they were certainly not compelled to become Muslim. They committed a crime and were punished for it.

Thats fantastic, that means that Israel and America can do as they please with Palistine, Iraq and Afghanistan, great news.

pope urban 2 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 12:29am:

Yeah and for some time you will.. but your lack of honour and nobility will mean that just like during the crusades a leader will come and unite us again and we will send the hordes of your savages back to their lands with their tales between their legs inshaALLAH..

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 8:11am:


JFK knows the same history? is that the same history you refuse to put up on the forum? you're so willing to put anything up normally that you think might help you but in this case you refuse too.. thats not normal and leads me to believe that you're either full of crap and you have nothing.. or that you have gotten your information from a source which is an anti islam site which no doubt cannot be trusted..

i've answered your question several times, they weren't compelled as the offer of amnesty should they accept islam came after the fact that they were judged guilty according their own laws of treason and given the penalty of all of the men being executed and the women being taken captive..

you either don't understand that and are really not intelligent enough to be on this forum or you DO understand that and your intentionally trying to make it look like i havent answered the question.

either way you are really looking like a troll