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Reply #105 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 2:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 at 2:48pm:
Falsification is not the only way to approach a debate. It's not all about truth. Beauty is just as important.


Is there an argument for beauty in non divinity?
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Reply #106 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 5:52pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 at 7:55am:
Call your imaginary friend Donald Duck, and the men in white coats haul you away, call him God, and you expect respect.
Go figure.

Please tell me Malik, why we do not see huge protests from Muslims, against the violent jerks who give you all a bad name?

They have no trouble getting together to protest for self interest, but n ot for the general good it seems.

A cartoon can inspire them to mass protest and violence on a global scale, but to deliver a message of peace and tolerance they cannot muster a girl scout meeting.

Uhhh Mozzaok, you know that Sprint claims to have conversations with God in which he gets answers. I know that you know he says that but you still don't give him a hard time.

Furthermore we HAVE on MANY occaisions protested against terrorism. On top of that it is not only rhetoric that we speak, the fact is that it is only because of the Muslim community that any person who has been going to commit terrorism has been arrested because we deal directly with ASIO, the state police and the Federal Police. We simply don't want terrorists in our community, we don't want them in Australia and we understand the consequences on the Muslim community if an attack does happen here.

We just want to live our lives here in peace and be treated as any other citizen. We shouldn't have to constantly have our loyalties questioned and be treated like terrorists.




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Reply #107 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 5:57pm
 
Sure helian, you can make it up as you go along. Tell us all how atheism has made your life complete.
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Reply #108 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 5:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 at 5:57pm:
Sure helian, you can make it up as you go along. Tell us all how atheism has made your life complete.


Who says I'm an atheist?
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Reply #109 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 6:01pm
 
I just did. Feel free to correct me if you want. Or just take it as an example and ignore the personal aspect.
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Reply #110 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 6:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 at 6:01pm:
I just did. Feel free to correct me if you want. Or just take it as an example and ignore the personal aspect.


Can I call you French?
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Reply #111 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 6:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 at 6:01pm:
I just did. Feel free to correct me if you want. Or just take it as an example and ignore the personal aspect.


OK. You are corrected. What should I take as an example?
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Reply #112 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 6:24pm
 
Self fulfillment through atheism as an example of beauty through non-divinity.
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Reply #113 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 6:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 at 6:24pm:
Self fulfillment through atheism as an example of beauty through non-divinity.


The old man lay down

Though he knew the dark
in the sun

at the zenith

of a day,

Yet he remembered well what Dylan taught

       Do not go gentle into that good night,
       Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
       Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

       Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
       Because their words had forked no lightning they
       Do not go gentle into that good night.

       Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
       Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
       Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

       Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
       And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
       Do not go gentle into that good night.

       Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
       Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
       Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

       And you, my father, there on the sad height,
       Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
       Do not go gentle into that good night.
       Rage, rage against the dying of the light.



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Reply #114 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 8:50pm
 
helian - excellent poem.

Few are as good.
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Reply #115 - Jun 4th, 2008 at 9:07pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 at 8:50pm:
helian - excellent poem.

Few are as good.


Yeah, a poem that is eerie in its fierce urgency of Now... this moment.
One that warns against regret and living an unfulfilled life and the agony of realising too late how we should have lived. It reminds me of a Bukowski poem...

Oh Yes

there are worse things than
being alone
but it often takes decades
to realize this
and most often
when you do
it's too late
and there's nothing worse
than

too late.
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