Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 11:20pm:

but how do you even know what to believe when you haven't studied the history and source texts behind it, you actually just assume that everything on the page you've written is correct. that is a foolish assumption to make because you don't even know half of the story there.. again you havent studied the texts yourself..

again, what are your sources?
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 11:20pm:

we do.. we find any such slander of a prophet offensive..

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 11:20pm:

you quote the quran without understanding the context behind it, and when i explain the context you still quote it in a way which twists its meaning.

secondly you obviously don't understand hadith properly to know that not all hadith are accurate.. and not all muslims believe in the same hadiths..

you really dont know much about islam and can only see what your shown on your anti islam sites.. perhaps if you studied it from its sources, that being the quran, hadith, tafsir of both and the actual life of the prophet muhammad pbuh you'd understand his character better.. you'd understand islam better

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 11:20pm:

and who exactly in saudi shall i call?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 11:20pm:

and who do you think dobs the muslim extremists in to the police? its the muslims, who liaise regularly with the federal police and state police..dont for a second think that any terror suspect in australia would have been caught if not with the help of the muslim community, in fact even within the afp, state police and asio there are many muslims working to prevent terrorism..

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 11:20pm:

we absolutely are perturbed by that..

oh and by the way in some US states its against the law to insult jesus, in the following western countries it is also against the law.

Austria (Articles 188, 189 of the penal code)
Denmark (Paragraph 140 of the penal code).
Finland (Section 10 of chapter 17 of the penal code)
Unsuccessful attempts were made to rescind the law in 1914, 1917, 1965, 1970 and 1998.
Germany (Article 166 of the penal code, see also the Manfred van H. case)
Greece
Iceland
Ireland
Israel (Articles 170, 173 of the penal code)
Italy
The Netherlands (Article 147 of the penal code), see also Gerard Reve and the 1966 blasphemy incident
New Zealand (Section 123 of the Crimes Act 1961)
Norway (section 142 of the Norwegian Penal Code never applied).
Spain (Article 525 of the penal code)
Switzerland (Article 261 of the penal code)


In the UK it is also illegal to behave in such a way, but they are making it legal as of 8th July 2008.

There is a difference between free speech and slander. You are slandering, not speaking freely.

In Islam and in the West we believe in innocence before being proven guilty. You cannot actually prove that Muhammad was any of the things you mentioned because you have no evidence for yourself, thus you are only slandering an innocent person's name.

Your lack of tangible evidence makes you look rather daft.. It shows you'll believe anything which defames Islam because you hate Islam. You want to believe it's bad.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16^th, 2008 at 8:57am:


As the gospels contradict one another they cannot all be right, so one or some of them are wrong. Which gospel is right, which is wrong? Is Matthew's account of Jesus's birth right or wrong? Or do you just pick the bits you like to be the right bits and ignore the 'wrong' bits? How do you justify the glaring biblical contradictions and incongruity with accepted historical facts?

Are your standards as high for Christianity as you impose for Islam?

As is being shown in posts above, you have a tendency towards making it up as you go along... This maybe intentional or just plain stupidity on your part, it's hard to gauge. You seem to have an extreme parochial view of the world such that if it happens in your street then you appear to believe it must be the same everywhere in the western world.

You're not very smart, are you?

helian - christians do nt claim the bible is perfect.
we think it is Gods word, in the hand of men.

muslims think the koran is perfect.
So why would it need to be abrogated then ???



feel free to statrt a thread on bible contradictions.
I don't know much about them, so go ahead.


No,I'm not very smart.
Only just scraped into the mensa level.
Only got a creditation certificate for my degree from the dean

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16^th, 2008 at 10:36am:

but what your doing is not querying, you are accusing him and slandering him.. that is completely different

So the people who threw rocks at muhammed were not slandering him? Throwing rocks is OK, but saying something ansty about him isn't?

You got a contact # for saudi, try them.

That is absurd sprint. Malik is no more responsible for Osama than you are.

Other christians dobbed them into the police.
Us christians don't always do the right thing.
But things like that show that terrorism is considered unchristian.

Sprint, muslims are doing the same thing. They are dying in large number to fight the terrorists. Think of all the Iraqi policemen who die. You sit here on your high horse and preach from the saftey of your computer, accusing them of not doing enough because someone in the US dobbed in a bomber, while they are out there giving up their lives.

Also sprint, you claimed to have an alternative historical source to back up your claim that the jews did not commit treason. I'm pretty sure I have read all of this thread and you did not produce anything even close to being relevant. Would you mind reposting the relevant evidence?

Calling someone Jesus is a bit odd but no-one will call  for you to be killed for it, Im not sure the pronounciation is the same in spanish though, its a bit like read and read, depends on the context and pronouciation, maybe.