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Reply #210 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 6:56pm
 
Absolutely disgusting, we need to adopt the one child policy immediately.

FD, if you are not a first born, we will make it a retrospective legislation.
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Reply #211 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 9:00pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 9:54am:
Where did saudi and syria get their laws from ?

what book ?


Syria and Saudi do not have proper Shariah law. Saudi's laws are more tribal based and Syria's are just a dictatorship
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Reply #212 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 9:51pm
 
They could get them from a bugs bunny cartoon for all it matters.
After you have a few dozen 'clerics' interpret what he really meant by"What's up doc?"
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Reply #213 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 11:34pm
 

"PAKISTANI Taliban militants have torched the country's only ski resort and separately killed three people in a northwestern tourist valley, despite a recent truce with security forces.

The attack on the government-run hotel happened at Malam Jabba, part of the troubled Swat Valley where followers of an Islamist cleric signed a peace deal with Pakistani authorities in May after months of clashes. "

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23929254-12377,00.html



Hey look !!!!!!!
A peace treaty was signed, in times where war was feared.
As is with logical history, the interlopers broke the treaty.
If they win, the history will be slanted.



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Reply #214 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 11:41pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 26th, 2008 at 11:34pm:
"PAKISTANI Taliban militants have torched the country's only ski resort and separately killed three people in a northwestern tourist valley, despite a recent truce with security forces.

The attack on the government-run hotel happened at Malam Jabba, part of the troubled Swat Valley where followers of an Islamist cleric signed a peace deal with Pakistani authorities in May after months of clashes. "

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23929254-12377,00.html



Hey look !!!!!!!
A peace treaty was signed, in times where war was feared.
As is with logical history, the interlopers broke the treaty.
If they win, the history will be slanted.




The Taliban? They are the worst example of Muslims you can find.


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Reply #215 - Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:00am
 
Shut them down then.

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Reply #216 - Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:12am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:00am:
Shut them down then.



They did. However, the Coalition was side-tracked by oil - I mean, WMDs in Iraq enabling the Taliban to regroup.

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Reply #217 - Jun 27th, 2008 at 8:44am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:00am:
Shut them down then.


Sprint do you even know how the Taliban came to power?

In addition to that, if you'd like us to shut them down you'd need to stop supporting Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, they're major supporters.

The US needs to also stop supporting opposing warlords in Afghanistan, because people like Dostrum who receive a huge amount of $$ from the US are corrupt and torture and kill people.

Because of the US' behaviour there they are now getting respanked by the Taliban, just as the Soviet Union did. And it's not just the Taliban either who are fighting the US now, lots of the Northern Alliance has swapped sides because of the horrendous acts the West has committed there.

The US gives legitimacy to the Taliban


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Reply #218 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 7:28pm
 
Malik Shakur wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 8:44am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:00am:
Shut them down then.


Sprint do you even know how the Taliban came to power?

In addition to that, if you'd like us to shut them down you'd need to stop supporting Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, they're major supporters.


Got some evidence to support that assertion concerning Pakistan and Saudi?

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The US needs to also stop supporting opposing warlords in Afghanistan, because people like Dostrum who receive a huge amount of $$ from the US are corrupt and torture and kill people.

Because of the US' behaviour there they are now getting respanked by the Taliban, just as the Soviet Union did. And it's not just the Taliban either who are fighting the US now, lots of the Northern Alliance has swapped sides because of the horrendous acts the West has committed there.

The US gives legitimacy to the Taliban


Why are we in Afghanistan, Malik.

I mean it can't be because we like to turn big rocks into little rocks. 

For what reason would the West have any interest in the parlous place.

Why?

I have absolutely no desire for anything the place has to offer.  Can you suggest anything that the West would want of the crappy place?

After all, even the Ruskies found that there was nothing.

Or is there some other reason the West wants to be there?

It surely is not about some ancient mountain sculptures.  It likely is not about how badly women are treated there.

What?

Why are we there, Malik?

I mean why are the Dutch with some US engineering support maintaining, and enlarging the busiest dirt airstrip on the planet at Kowin Tarit or whatever the desolate place is called?
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Reply #219 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 8:31pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2008 at 7:28pm:
Got some evidence to support that assertion concerning Pakistan and Saudi?

That the West supports Pakistan and Saudi or that Pakistan and Saudi supports the Taliban?

Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2008 at 7:28pm:
Why are we in Afghanistan, Malik.

I mean it can't be because we like to turn big rocks into little rocks.  

For what reason would the West have any interest in the parlous place.

Why?

I have absolutely no desire for anything the place has to offer.  Can you suggest anything that the West would want of the crappy place?

After all, even the Ruskies found that there was nothing.

Or is there some other reason the West wants to be there?

It surely is not about some ancient mountain sculptures.  It likely is not about how badly women are treated there.

What?

Why are we there, Malik?

I mean why are the Dutch with some US engineering support maintaining, and enlarging the busiest dirt airstrip on the planet at Kowin Tarit or whatever the desolate place is called?

The Caspian Sea oil pipeline, natural gas reserves and a launching pad to attack Iran, the other launching pad is in Iraq plus sea assets in the Persian Gulf.

It's called a pincer movement if I'm not mistaken.

All of it will fail dismally I'm afraid.
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Reply #220 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:00pm
 
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That the West supports Pakistan and Saudi or that Pakistan and Saudi supports the Taliban?


Prove that with Western support, Pakistan and Saudi support the Taliban, and justify why that would lead to Western investment in making big rocks into little rocks.

Now, you refer to some gas pipe line to the Caspian Sea.

Never heard of it.

Explain.

Where does this pipe line start and end, and go to.

.....and laughably, you refer to a launch pad to attack Iran.  FFS, if the West want to attack Iran, we have Iraq!!!
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Reply #221 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:18pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:00pm:


Prove that with Western support, Pakistan and Saudi support the Taliban, and justify why that would lead to Western investment in making big rocks into little rocks.

Now, you refer to some gas pipe line to the Caspian Sea.

Never heard of it.

Explain.

Where does this pipe line start and end, and go to.

.....and laughably, you refer to a launch pad to attack Iran.  FFS, if the West want to attack Iran, we have Iraq!!!

The Taliban ruled Afghanistan was only recognised officially by two countries in the world. Guess who they were?

That's right, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Western governments support Pakistan and Saudi so there is your connection.

I'm not here to educate you, I'd be willing to debate you if you got off of your backside and actually studied on the subject. Study about the pipeline and you'll understand.

Next. Regarding the Attack on Iran. I'm afraid that only having Iraq would be useless in an attack on Iran because as soon as they do attack Iran, southern Iraq will rise up en masse and fight the attacking forces, they need to fight from Afghanistan too to create a pincer movement hitting Iran from as many sides as possible.

As mentioned I'm talking about from Iraq, the Persian Gulf and Afghanistan.

Again, even when they do try that they will be beaten by the Iranians.
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Reply #222 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:40pm
 
You are an idiot.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm

Given that you really have no reason, it is odd that you have not asked me why I might even consider supporting our making big Afghanistani rocks into little rocks.
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Reply #223 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:52pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:40pm:
You are an idiot.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm

Given that you really have no reason, it is odd that you have not asked me why I might even consider supporting our making big Afghanistani rocks into little rocks.

Unocal lied, Furthermore there were other the West made big $$$$$ out of that deal.

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Giant Caspian oil pipeline opens
Oil is set to flow from the Caspian Sea direct to the Mediterranean for the first time after a $3.6bn (£2bn) pipeline opened on Wednesday.
Starting in Azerbaijan, the 1,600km (1,000 mile) pipeline will pass through Georgia to the Turkish port of Ceyhan.

The project has taken more than 10 years to finish and will unlock one of the world's biggest energy reserves.

It has not been without controversy, however, and there have been protests about the impact on the environment.

Some demonstrators were beaten and arrested last Saturday, with Azeri authorities saying that they acted because the protest was too close to the pipeline.

High profile

Wednesday's inauguration at the Sangachal oil terminal near Baku was attended by presidents from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Georgia and Turkey.


US Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman also was present at a ceremony where the taps were turned on.

The pipeline has been an international effort and was built by a consortium led by UK oil giant BP, which has a 30% stake.

Other consortium members include Azerbaijan's state oil company Socar, Amerada Hess, ConocoPhillips, Eni, Inpex, Itochu, Statoil, Total, TPAO and Unocal.

David Woodward, the head of BP's operations in Azerbaijan, said that the opening marked the former Soviet state's "rebirth as an important country for the oil industry, just as it was more than a century ago".

Azerbaijan's President Ilham Aliev said that "this pipeline first of all will help solve economic and social problems" but also will play a role in "strengthening peace and security in the region".

Wider implications

The BBC's Emma Simpson said from Baku that for energy-hungry countries such as the US the pipeline was a strategically important non-Russian, non-Middle Eastern source of oil.

The Caspian area produces a high-quality light crude, but has suffered in the past because of the difficulty of getting its oil to consumers in Europe, the US, China and Japan.

Until now, states in the region sent almost all of their oil via Russian pipelines.

The Caspian project is not without risk, however, as the pipeline runs through the volatile Caucasus and will require constant surveillance to prevent it from attack, our correspondent said.

Work on the pipeline was given fresh impetus in the late 1990s after BP made new oil discoveries in Azerbaijan and crude prices began to recover from historic lows.

Up to a million barrels a day will eventually be heading directly west, gushing underneath miles of rugged terrain.

However, it will take several months merely to fill the pipeline, which has a capacity of 10 million barrels.

The oil in the pipeline will initially come entirely from Azerbaijani fields, but Kazakhstan is expected to participate in the project before the end of the decade.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/business/4577497.stm

Published: 2005/05/25 08:58:55 GMT


Why would I care regarding the reasons you're wanting war?
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Reply #224 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 10:03pm
 
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Giant Caspian oil pipeline opens
Oil is set to flow from the Caspian Sea direct to the Mediterranean for the first time after a $3.6bn (£2bn) pipeline opened on Wednesday.
Starting in Azerbaijan, the 1,600km (1,000 mile) pipeline will pass through Georgia to the Turkish port of Ceyhan.

The project has taken more than 10 years to finish and will unlock one of the world's biggest energy reserves.

It has not been without controversy, however, and there have been protests about the impact on the environment.

Some demonstrators were beaten and arrested last Saturday, with Azeri authorities saying that they acted because the protest was too close to the pipeline.

High profile

Wednesday's inauguration at the Sangachal oil terminal near Baku was attended by presidents from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Georgia and Turkey.


US Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman also was present at a ceremony where the taps were turned on.

The pipeline has been an international effort and was built by a consortium led by UK oil giant BP, which has a 30% stake.

Other consortium members include Azerbaijan's state oil company Socar, Amerada Hess, ConocoPhillips, Eni, Inpex, Itochu, Statoil, Total, TPAO and Unocal.
David Woodward, the head of BP's operations in Azerbaijan, said that the opening marked the former Soviet state's "rebirth as an important country for the oil industry, just as it was more than a century ago".

Azerbaijan's President Ilham Aliev said that "this pipeline first of all will help solve economic and social problems" but also will play a role in "strengthening peace and security in the region".

Wider implications

The BBC's Emma Simpson said from Baku that for energy-hungry countries such as the US the pipeline was a strategically important non-Russian, non-Middle Eastern source of oil.

The Caspian area produces a high-quality light crude, but has suffered in the past because of the difficulty of getting its oil to consumers in Europe, the US, China and Japan.

Until now, states in the region sent almost all of their oil via Russian pipelines.

The Caspian project is not without risk, however, as the pipeline runs through the volatile Caucasus and will require constant surveillance to prevent it from attack, our correspondent said.

Work on the pipeline was given fresh impetus in the late 1990s after BP made new oil discoveries in Azerbaijan and crude prices began to recover from historic lows.

Up to a million barrels a day will eventually be heading directly west, gushing underneath miles of rugged terrain.

However, it will take several months merely to fill the pipeline, which has a capacity of 10 million barrels.

The oil in the pipeline will initially come entirely from Azerbaijani fields, but Kazakhstan is expected to participate in the project before the end of the decade.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/business/4577497.stm

Published: 2005/05/25 08:58:55 GMT


No mention of Afghanistan????????

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