So sprint, how about that secret document? It would be good if you could back up one of your claims before rattling off a hundred more.

You guys crack me up, quoting religious texts as "Reference Material" for historical events.

That is why I posted about Iran, to display the unreliability of such claims.
In my lifetime, they make ridiculously and obviously false claims, believed by no-one  but the self deluded, because it serves their purpose to do so.

Do you really think they were more reliable, and less self interested 1400 years ago?

It would be like me taking a bible into anthropology class to look up what day of the week that life began, preposterous.

I would be very dubious of any text as reference material which also contains either, Praise the Lord, or, God is great.

thing is, in "christian" coountries, the religion does not run the govt.
in muslim countries, it does. and there is no escaping it.

That is only true if you consider the present in an historical vaccuum. Even regarding the present situation, it is not true. Saddam Hussein for example was not a religious leader.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2008 at 12:52pm:



God Bless America

Malik, I know you will deny it but how many Armenians and Kurds has your precious Turkey killed and how is the PKK going in that peaceful part of the world, I guess America is to blame for that as well.

pope urban 2 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2008 at 6:43pm:

i'm not afraid to admit that turkey needs to change its policy on the kurds, since 1924 there have been more than 10 military uprisings by the Kurds, some kurds wish to be recognised as a minority, some want an independent kurdistan reaching from northern iraq, south eastern turkey and north western iran plus some other parts of the middle east.

i do believe that turkey refuses to recognise the kurds as a minority for a few reasons. the main reason is because they don't want turkey divided up more than it already has been as many kurds want a separate state drawn from turkish land.

at the end of WW1 turkey was going to be made far smaller than it is now, perhaps only a quarter of its current size with large parts of turkey going to britain, greece, france and armenia.. the turks fought hard to retain the borders it currently has and don't want to break up their nation like the arab nations were broken up and colonized.

The turks recognize jews, armenians and greeks as minorities and i think they would recognize the kurds if there was a change in the attitude of the Kurds.

You see the PKK which you mentioned has been fighting against turkey for more than 28 years, more than 30,000 people on both sides have lost their lives. Turkey doesn't like the kurdish culturalistic attitudes where they prevent their daughters going to school, circumcise their daughters, force them to work, marry them off as early as 12 and also do honour killings, so turkey intervenes in kurdish communities and forces girls to go to school. as a result the PKK kidnaps, tortures and murders teachers in south eastern turkey who teach kurdish kids, they raid villages and kill those inhabitants etc.

the turkish security forces arent perfect either, sometimes they act in very barbaric ways. bringing collective punishment to all the kurds in the area, further giving the PKK more recruits. It's a cycle of violence that needs to be stopped. The turks always over react and it is really sad to see. I might add that the PKK recieves funding and training by the US and Israel.

In my opinion there should be a referrendum done, if the Kurds want their own home land taken from turkish land, then exile them to northern iraq and let them be someone elses problem. If they want to be part of turkey let them be part of it and start adhering to the laws of the land and let them be recognised as a minority.

there's already been far too much violence and bloodshed..

in regards to the armenians, i am not totally sure what happened there. if turkey was guilty of genocide then they need to recognise that and steps need to be taken to compensate them.

Hi malik ,

No, it is not very convenient at all. I spent time looking for it and could not find it. Will look again.

Do not have to accuse islam of much, the news tells us what muslims and islam does and wants.
dont you know the koran ? Can't post it yourself ??

saudi ONLY has muslims there. SO they are a perfect representation of a muslim state - ie islam. what other countries are muslim led ??
hhhmm, yeman, iran, not really a good list is it ???


nice justification for a murderer.
you forgot to mention the poet was a woman, sleeping with a child at her breast when murdered at mohammads request.
You would do the same for a paedophile ?
the muslims were the new kids on the block. The pagans and jews were settled , stable and peaceable.
The muslims did the warring to start mohammads empire.
As supported in the koran.
mohammad slaughtered anyone who stood against his desired world domination.

He was the first self appointed "prophet" for 1500 years to hold a sword and murder.
In one blood drenched lifetime he murdered and slaughtered more than in the whole of the new testament and much of the old testament.
You yourself have given proof of his many wars.

thanks for supporting my views on his actions.

Have been busy lately , but should be able to post a few juicy quotes for you to salivate over this weekend.


take care malik