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Reply #195 - Jul 6th, 2008 at 10:56am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5th, 2008 at 10:56pm:
no malik the deciever, this is islam taking over.
step by step.

free world, sit up and take notice.
England and europe grealty regret making any space for those that will not assimilate.

What a stupid move from us infidels.


I tend to agree with Malik. It's political correctness gone mad. However, substitute praying to a Christian god by kids who have no background in Christianity and it was somehow acceptable. What they are doing with chaplains in school is a prime example of this.

If you protest against Islam being taught in this manner, you'd have to find some problem with the insidious way that prayers find their way into the agenda.
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Reply #196 - Jul 6th, 2008 at 9:24pm
 
However, substitute praying to a Christian god by kids who have no background in Christianity and it was somehow acceptable. What they are doing with chaplains in school is a prime example of this.

It was considered acceptable. I don't think it still is.
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Reply #197 - Jul 7th, 2008 at 9:12am
 
No, I think its upto the parents. If they choose to put their children in a religious school then they should be allowed to do so. But I don't believe that any school should teach hatred against any other religion.
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Reply #198 - Jul 7th, 2008 at 9:32am
 
It is not an easy issue, but if you watched any of the 'Jesus Camp' doco, that Malik posted links for, you will see the problem of delusional parents, inflicting harm on their kids, by brainwashing them with ridiculous belief systems.

Some of the parents chose to 'home school' their kids, because they could not bear the thought of them learning about alternatives to creationism, or any education that did not include jesus as it's primary focus.

At some point, these parents cross the line into what I, for one, would categorise as child abuse, of a profound psychological nature.

This abuse currently must be accepted on the grounds of 'Freedom of Religion', and 'Parents' Rights'

My contention is that the abusive neglect of 'Childrens' Rights', gets totally left out of the debate, and personally, I believe that those rights should be paramount, when discussing Education.
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Reply #199 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 12:47am
 
I believe children have a right to an education.
One doing the 3 R's, sports, history etc etc etc.

Kids also have the right of freedom of any form of abuse.
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Reply #200 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 3:06pm
 
The Swedish government has announced plans to clamp down hard on religious education. It will soon become illegal even for private faith schools to teach religious doctrines as if they were true. In an interesting twist on the American experience, prayer will remain legal in schools - after all, it has no truth value. But everything that takes place on the curriculum's time will have to be secular. "Pupils must be protected from every sort of fundamentalism," said the minister for schools, Jan Björklund.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/oct/18/godshonesttruth

Well I think it is nice to see some sense being brought into the area at last, maybe we will see this in Australia some day.
The sooner the better.

I hope they allow them to mock and ridicule the more glaringly obscene beliefs of the major religions, it is a worthwhile thing to do, as well as a lot of fun.
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Reply #201 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 3:10pm
 
What is 'the curriculum's time'?
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Reply #202 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 3:26pm
 
Everything but free time one would assume.

Creationism and ID are explicitly banned but so is proselytising even in religious education classes. The Qur'an may not be taught as if it is true even in Muslim independent schools, nor may the Bible in Christian schools.
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Reply #203 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 4:11pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 3:06pm:
The Swedish government has announced plans to clamp down hard on religious education. It will soon become illegal even for private faith schools to teach religious doctrines as if they were true. In an interesting twist on the American experience, prayer will remain legal in schools - after all, it has no truth value. But everything that takes place on the curriculum's time will have to be secular. "Pupils must be protected from every sort of fundamentalism," said the minister for schools, Jan Björklund.



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Reply #204 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 10:32pm
 
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Reply #205 - Aug 28th, 2008 at 6:40am
 
Obviously paedophilia is not the sole domain of the religious community, but the unhealthy and repressive guilt applied by religion would certainly not reduce it's prevalence.

I went through that system, and few, if any, emerged without serious damage.

I went through with a class of fifty odd boys, by my early twenties, there had been numerous suicides, murderers, rapists, and drug addicts from my one class.

I delivered the eulogy at my best friends funeral when I was 18.
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Reply #206 - Aug 28th, 2008 at 8:24am
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 3:06pm:
The Swedish government has announced plans to clamp down hard on religious education. It will soon become illegal even for private faith schools to teach religious doctrines as if they were true. In an interesting twist on the American experience, prayer will remain legal in schools - after all, it has no truth value. But everything that takes place on the curriculum's time will have to be secular. "Pupils must be protected from every sort of fundamentalism," said the minister for schools, Jan Björklund.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/oct/18/godshonesttruth

Well I think it is nice to see some sense being brought into the area at last, maybe we will see this in Australia some day.
The sooner the better.

I hope they allow them to mock and ridicule the more glaringly obscene beliefs of the major religions, it is a worthwhile thing to do, as well as a lot of fun.



I can't help but feel that Sweden will not benefit from this move. They are just replacing one set of traditional morality with another.

Religion and culture are so intertwined. There is no harm in telling kids that a fat old guy in a big red suit comes down the chimney every Christmas to deliver presents. If fact, he can be used as a scape goat if something is amiss with the presents  Grin

Kids are pretty sharp when it comes to performing their own reality checks. It's a shame that moderate religion has to suffer as a result of the extremists.
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Reply #207 - Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:01am
 
I have a suspicion that this will turn into a meaningless paperwork exercise, where the school merely redefines the curriculum's time to suit it's goals.
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Reply #208 - Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:14am
 
Sorry to hear that mozzaok.

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Reply #209 - Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:24am
 
Why not drop funding from all private schools full stop. That would provide the incentive for all members of society to ensure that the state school system is bought up to a higher standard for everyone. Equally.

Religion could be studied as a social science subject but not as a practice.
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