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Malik Shakur
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Reply #45 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 6:56am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 12:27am:
I copied them from somewhere.
No idea where, can prob search and find it.

What idea is more likely ?
The new kid on the block waged war by whatever means to gain an empire? make no mistakes, he was great at war.
Or those in charge took on a refugee with no arms or money to help them in a 100 year old war ??
Where in the end, most were murdered bar him !!!
Very lucky indeed.

mohammad copied some of the jewish torah. some he missed out.
Think gabriel would err in that?

mohammad was not mentioned in the Bible?
he took on methods unused for over a century, going against what Jesus taught.

What's more likely?



Oh yeah, now you say you'll find it. It's ok, I've already exposed your anti-Islam resource of information.

Sprint Muslims don't believe in the bible, but we do believe that Muhammad pbuh was foretold of by other prophets when they came.
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Reply #46 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 10:44am
 
Malik Shakur wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 6:56am:
Oh yeah, now you say you'll find it. It's ok, I've already exposed your anti-Islam resource of information.



No Malik, he said that he'll PROBABLY search for it.
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Reply #47 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 10:53am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 12:27am:
What idea is more likely ?

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What's more likely?



Not very analytical Sprint. Instead of studying the real historical events you are asking what's more likely. Personal opinion can miscontrue what  "likely" is. Once you venture into "what's more likely" it is no longer fact but hypothesis and opinion. However, you espoused "likely" as fact which is wrong.

Based on your many illogical claims and argument.... I'm starting to doubt your other claim of being Mensa. No doubt it was thrown out there to lend a little prestige to your credibility. Then again, as I've said high IQ means nothing if you don't use it properly.
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Reply #48 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 1:44pm
 
I copied them from somewhere.

Why don't you post your sources sprint? Are you trying to deceive us?
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Reply #49 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 3:56pm
 
i didn't keep the source when I copied them.

malik - no, muslims don't believe the bible. yet they make many references to it in the koran .

Sonds strange that. Muslims agree the bible was from God ??
Yet think God let it be significantly changed ??
i would not think He would do that .


acid - history is quite slanted. Often "new" data is found of past events.
Look at the probabilities, use logic.

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Reply #50 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 4:04pm
 
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Reply #51 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 5:05pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 3:56pm:
acid - history is quite slanted. Often "new" data is found of past events.
Look at the probabilities, use logic.




Oh, I agree wholeheartedly Sprint. Evidence is never static. FD and I had a discussion that went around and around about scientific theory vs hypothesis vs observation. I also agree with you re: probabilities, logic, assumption, hypothesis etc. This is fine as long as you disclose that them as such. However, by hiding (or not revealing) your source, then claiming that the source is irrefutable and independent and worst a "fact" is an outright forgery of the truth and an insidious method of preaching false propaganda to those who do not know any better. You may as well compare yourself to the hate clerics and fundamentalist Christians that miscontrue and misquote there respected Books.

I've noticed that you said "new" data. I think it should be more accurately to say new "data". One unproven source (a questionable one, at best) does not invalidate past proven one.




Since FD linked this thread to the other one, I'm not sure where to post this reply (here or over there).
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Reply #52 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 8:39pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 3:56pm:
i didn't keep the source when I copied them.

malik - no, muslims don't believe the bible. yet they make many references to it in the koran .

Sonds strange that. Muslims agree the bible was from God ??
Yet think God let it be significantly changed ??
i would not think He would do that .


No, The Qur'an doesnt make references to the bible and Muslims certainly do not believe that the bible was from God.


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Reply #53 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 10:32pm
 
Malik Shakur wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 8:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 3:56pm:
i didn't keep the source when I copied them.

malik - no, muslims don't believe the bible. yet they make many references to it in the koran .

Sonds strange that. Muslims agree the bible was from God ??
Yet think God let it be significantly changed ??
i would not think He would do that .


No, The Qur'an doesnt make references to the bible and Muslims certainly do not believe that the bible was from God.




But then again, nothing was written by god.
Just man.
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Reply #54 - Jun 24th, 2008 at 8:44am
 
malik - in the koran - who are the people of the book ?

I assume the book is the torah ?
The koran also mentions the exodus, Mary and Jesus, Abraham, Ishmael.
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Reply #55 - Jun 24th, 2008 at 9:12am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 24th, 2008 at 8:44am:
malik - in the koran - who are the people of the book ?

I assume the book is the torah ?
The koran also mentions the exodus, Mary and Jesus, Abraham, Ishmael.

Haha

You assume too much by thinking that the taurat is the torah of today, or the injeel is the gospel of today, we believe that the books sent down by the prophets had been changed over time.

The Qur'an does mention those events and prophets phut, but that doesn't mean we believe in the Torah or Gospel that is in it's current form.

It was the people who changed the message over time, and though the people of the book are the christians and jews, we only take the books they have currently with a grain of salt because we know they've been corrupted.

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Reply #56 - Jun 24th, 2008 at 10:17am
 
Hi Malik, while you, understandably, take the bible with a grain of salt, because it has been corrupted by human interpretation, why would you not apply the same critical analysis to the holy texts of Islam?

Don't all these holy books contain contradictory messages from which you can seek divine validation of any actions you choose?

We see anti-Islamic people deriding mohammed as the "Pervert Prophet", because of the story that he wedded and bedded a nine year old girl, yet I assume there are passages in Islamic holy books which would denounce paedophilia as wrong.

So following that scenario, could not an Islamic paedophile use the example of Mohammed as justification for his acts, instead of listening to other messages which would tell him what he is doing is wrong?

That type of scenario is why I have big problems with people who rely on ancient texts to determine moral choices.

Also, if the thing about mohammed and the nine year old is true, it would need to be examined in the context of what were the accepted norms of his era, and I also would expect people to use similiar judgement on directions for defending their faith etc.

How they may have done things fourteen hundred years ago will often be unjustifiable in today's world.

It may be time for a new prophet to come along and get rid of the anachronistic, and contradictory messages from these holy books, and just espouse the ones of peace, love, and understanding, as so eloquently conveyed by the prophet, Elvis.
Elvis Costello, that is. Smiley
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Reply #57 - Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:02am
 
yet I assume there are passages in Islamic holy books which would denounce paedophilia as wrong

I am not aware of any holy book that denounces pedophilia specifically. It's very hard to put in absolute terms. There are a lot of cultural and health changes underlying the current 16 year age limit for sex, and even that has a lot of loopholes. The only non-arbitrary age to put the limit at would be puberty, but then that would put religion at odds with higher standards that came later. No sex before marriage is probably a better approach.
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Reply #58 - Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:05am
 
No sex before marriage??
You must be shitting me, what planet are you from FD?

If we apply that logic then at the start of menstruation we just marry kids off so old pervs can have sex with them?

Great idea, for the old pervs, that is.
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Reply #59 - Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:08am
 
Why would parents want their young child to marry a pervert? Wouldn't you run out of perverts, or do you see them becoming really popular with parents who want to get rid of their kids and marrying lots of them?
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