Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 26^th, 2008 at 11:30am:

haha you always make assumptions, thats not the reason why i don't believe it's correct.

it's because of the evidence you've used around it doesn't correlate to other evidence.. in fact it brings a contradiction to other hadiths which mention the very things i mentioned.

it may have been the case that they consummated their marriage at 9 years old, if that's the case i am not bothered by it, because it was acceptable back then and aisha had started menstruating, thus making her a woman. adolescence is something which is a new invention within the last few hundred years, society didn't run like that in the west either back then.

if you are calling Muhammad pbuh a pedophile then you're accusing Mary pbuh's own husband Joseph of being an even worse one as he was 90 and she was about 12.

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2008 at 11:55am:

Not quite..

Although Mary was at marriageable age when she married Joseph, and obviously had started menstruating if she was able to be pregnant.

If only he judged his own religion and texts by the standards he judges Islam by.

Muso - No, that does no bother me at all.
Seems it is always "open season" on christianity.
Rarely ever see anyone get concerned about that.

What bothers me that a man in his late 40's would bed a girl who was under 10.
And everyone says "Oh, that's ok because ..................."





Malik - feel free to post the evidence of aishas "other" age.
Also about marys and josephs ages.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 26^th, 2008 at 1:49pm:


   * Tabari reports that Abu Bakr wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut`am’s son. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of marriageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than nine in 622 CE.

   * Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr’s four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah, the pre Islamic period, which could be said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE.

   * According to Ibn Hajar, Fatima was five years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was thirty-five years old, meaning Aisha was born when he was forty years old, and thus twelve when Muhammad married at fifty-two.

   *According to almost all the historians, Asma the elder sister of Aisha, was ten years older than Aisha. It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma died in the 73rd year after migration of Muhammad when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73rd year after Migration to Medina, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of migration. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Aisha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Aisha - if she got married in 1 AH (after Migration to Medina) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.” Living Thoughts of the Prophet Muhammad, 1992 U.S.A. edition, p. 30, note 40

There is a site online where it shows alot of the evidence. Please go to http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm for more info.

Now Joseph, in the Catholic Encyclopedia it mentions that in the Apocrypha, Joseph was 90, previously married with children before marrying Mary pbuh when she was either 12-14