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On the contrary, it is you would seem to have the credibility problem, since you're not even aware of your own country's history. Go back and do a little more research and get the full picture of Australia's history.

I'd suggest beginning here, A History of Islam in Australia by Bilal Cleland, who like myself, is an Anglo-Australian convert to Islam, full text is available online at that link.

A preview of another good book can be found on Google Book Search here, by Melbourne University Lecturer Abdullah Saeed.

Seriously deluded, even by the crazy standards of Islam.

Malik, we are discussing what is acceptable now, in our culture, so stop using the pathetically tired argument of the intellectually paralysed, by claiming what was done previously, by others, was just as bad, or worse.

Abu, are you shitting me, you converted to Islam?

That is a one way ticket, to nowhere good.

Still, with your obviously sound and historically relevant stance on the muslim contribution to the settlement of Australia, we do not need any further enquiries to be made into your heightened ability to be totally gullible.

Psst! Wanna buy a genuine roolex?

Malik Shakur,

Waiyyakum akhi, nice work also, you covered quite a few points that I missed.

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So much for creibility, are you not even aware that the Javanese were Hindus and Buddhists prior to their embracing Islam, or perhaps you're thinking of the Papuans? They're all up there somewhere I'm sure, all the same right?

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It must've been through telepathy, since Muslims weren't capable of such navigational feats.

Really you're not even worth debating. Your knowledge is extremely limited, which isn't a crime in itself, but you don't want to know either. Just remain in your sheltered little delusional view of the world.

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There were Muslims on the Endeavour. Please read the links provided above and then rejoin the debate when you've acquired a little more knowledge on the subject.

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 8:45pm:

Navigational feat? They were much closer to Australia than Europe is and were merchant traders, they were well equipped to take on such a 'feat'.

These 'missionaries' were traders who came from Yemen and India and even China.

Islam came to Indonesia and the rest of South East Asia in roughly 1000 AD and even Marco Polo reported back in 1292 that Pasai and Perlak had Muslim rulers.

Islam spread there peacefully through trade.

Research Macassan trepangers and you'll find the evidence you need to prove me correct.
Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 8:45pm:

Muslims had visited Australia way before the Europeans, as mentioned evidence shows Muslims having relations with Indigineous Australians in the 1400's. Many books have been written about this. Whereas Europeans visited in the 1600's with Captain Cook coming in 1770.
Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 8:45pm:

That's not true at all.
Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 8:45pm:

Islam has just as much 'birth right' to be here as Christianity does, the only difference between our religions is that we didn't force ours onto indigenous Australians like yours did.

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 8:45pm:

Too many years that you seem to be going senile. When I say Afghans, It doesn't necessarily mean they were only from Afghanistan. It's just what they were called. They didn't flee their countries either, they were paid by the British to come and work here because the British couldn't do it without them.

easel wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 9:05pm:


There were no Muslims on board Endeavour.

http://www.captcook-ne.co.uk/ccne/themes/shipsandcrew.htm

Mind you, I could not give twopenny fart if there were, but this debate, and another elsewhere here, is insane.

Malik Shakur wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 9:12pm:


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http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

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I jest you not! You might be surprised to know hundreds of Australians embrace Islam each year.

Here is a video actually of 22 Australians simultaneously embracing Islam:



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According to so called "Australian values" it is going to be ok in the very near future. And Australia already has the Mardi Gras and other accepted homosexual institutions. So you tell me?

According to Islam it is not permissable, and I suspect you know that. I did not champion the Australian value of personal freedom, I merely pointed out it's hypocritical to extend it to some yet not to others.

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Well sorry to disappoiint you, but I grew up with Anglo-Australian culture, I have thrown it overboard and taken Islamic culture on board. What is wrong with that? Why must everyone conform to the culture you dictate? And as Malik Shakur pointed out, when Europeans arrived here, they did not respect any such unwritten code that you must assimilate into the culture of the place you land. At least we don't shove it down your throat as the Colonialists did to the Aussies they found here.

I don't care about gays and lesbians, or the Mardi Gras. Because it is not a choice, but a scientifically validated orientation.

Now that science has shown that being homosexual is not a choice in many cases, but biologically determined, did God create these people specifically so he could give them massive temptation in order for him to make it easier to damn them?

This is why I like Jesus. He says nothing about gays, it's all old testament.

We don't need to compare what happened 200 years ago to what is happening today. It's irrelevant. While we are at discussing whether polygamy should be introduced in to Australia to please Muslims, let's talk about the Crusades too.