Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 9:22pm:

How can you discover a land that already has inhabitants? Oh that's right, White Australia didn't recognise Indigenous Australians as people until 1975, my mistake.

I've given you evidence. Here's some more


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easel wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 9:38pm:

Hitler claimed to be doing it for the sake of God as a catholic.

Furthermore, Bush said that God told him to attack Iraq, that sounds a bit religious to me.

They also were going to call the operation in Afghanistan Operation Divine Justice.

That sounds very religious to me

easel wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 9:48pm:

Because the name of the operation has everything to do with the operation.

The Crusades were the Crusades because they believed they were doing God's will.

Operation Divine Justice is similar to that.

Bush claimed he did it because God told him too. Thus it's for religious reasons.

Nazi Germany was majority Christian, Christians who took part in the Genocide of 6 Million Jews.

It's not looking good for Christianity.

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Obviously you do, because you're the one who raised it. See following quote.

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That would indicate that the Old Testament stance on homosexuality still stood then, as it was not abrogated by the teachings of the New Testament. The New Testament is not a complete teaching (even according to Christians) but merely reiterates what came before it and in some cases abrogates what is no longer relevant.

Couple this with the fact homosexuality was considered a sin and crime punishable by execution right up until only a century or less ago. And it's quite clear Christianity never condoned it. 2000 years of Christian scholarshiop and jurisprudence says one thing, and you say something else, who are we to believe... I dunno, it's a tough one.

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 9:57pm:

Oh it's true mate, it's a well known fact that Macassan traders had established relationships with Indigenous Australians as early as 1400AD, perhaps even earlier.

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easel wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 10:11pm:

I've explained the reasons why.

Unless of course you can find a solution of what to do when there are not enough men around for the women who want to have a husband, to be looked after by a husband, protected, loved, given intimacy, accommodation, clothing, food etc.

What should those women do?

Looks like we have a few new members. Welcome to OzPolitic MW and abu_rashid.

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[i]I am not confusing anything FD, all the things I mentioned, are Islamic cultural areas which conflict with western standards.

Yes you are Mozz. Islam is a religion, not a culture. There is no reason why someone can't have Islam as their religion and be Australian by culture. Not all Christians have the same culture and it would be ignorant to assume the same about Muslims.

You also state that Islam is systematically racist against Jews, if that was the case we wouldn't have protected them from the Christian and European hordes that tried to rid them from the face of the earth. In fact the Jewish communities that have been safest in the world have lived amongst the Muslims, in Iran, Yemen, Morocco, Egypt, Islamic Spain, Ottoman Empire etc. When the Islamic State ruled these areas, Jews were given autonomy, allowed to live by their own laws, elect their own clergy and live under the protection of the Islamic State. Compare that with non Muslim Europe who forcibly converted more than a hundred thousand Jews in their many inquisitions and murdered many too. In addition to that Europe allowed anti Semitism to gain such support that Hitler was able to murder SIX BILLION OF THEM before the rest of the world stopped him. So regarding that, you have no right to blame Muslims for anti semitism. We ARE Semites.[/i]

That's an interesting argument Malik. You really should start a new thread about that in the global board. It really would open some people's eyes about Islam. And no doubt generate some more interesting debate.

BTW, it was six million, not billion.

Islam prescribes the Islamic State be run according to the Qur'an and Sunnah. But that doesn't mean we are against people living in a secular democracy.

Wouldn't Islam require you to vote in favour of an Islamic state if given the chance?

The prophet pbuh said that believing woman should cover everything except their face and hands..

Do you think women should be allowed to swim at the beach? Should they have to wear clothes that meet this standard?

If those behaviours were matters of concern for the human rights abuses inflicted on people in Islamic states alone, I would still feel the same, but when I see those same behaviours, demanding acceptance and respect, on religious/cultural grounds, in our own, non-muslim country, then I have the right to state that I consider them to be a negative influence in our society.

But that's not what you see Mozz. That is what you project.

The prohibition for alcohol was handed down in several stages because the arabs loved drinking and gambling.

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They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder

Malik to me that sounds like it is approving alcohol and gambling, but you should only gamble what you can afford to lose.

easel wrote on Jun 29^th, 2008 at 10:30pm:

We DO have that problem in Australia in the Muslim community.

You can't stop us from 'introducing' Islam to Australia, it was here long before Christianity was mate.