Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 26^th, 2008 at 11:38pm:


1.6 billion suicide bombers?? Now I know that you are a delusional zealot.

pope urban 2 wrote on Jun 26^th, 2008 at 8:52pm:


It will not.

That is a factor that the courts cannot consider when dwetermining property settlement or even child custody.  Our Family Court has a no fault policy for divorce.

Bill

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 26^th, 2008 at 11:38pm:

but was solomon a prophet of God or not?

malik - no, it was a genuine typing error.
That paragraph does not make sense how it is worded.
Only by rewording it does it make sense


The majority of muslims are quite ok. 
1.3 billion terrorists would overrun infidels within a day.

Terrorism is not the main reason why the west rejects Islam, Malik.

It is a combination of many things, but basically, most westerners consider Islam to be a very outdated and anachronistic belief system, which promotes values that most westerners consider unacceptable.

It's treatment of women is abominable, and quote all the texts you wish, to try and say that we have it wrong, but the fact is that we still see muslim females subjected to violence, sexual abuse, and even murder, by muslims who use the Koran to justify their abhorrent behaviour.
Many muslims consider that a woman must be sexually compliant to her spouse at all times, that she has no right to choose when, or if, she has sex.
In or out of marriage, we in the west consider this as rape, but many muslims consider it their right, under allah's teachings.

We also see many muslims condoning the practise of beating their wives, we in the west consider this as spousal abuse.

We also see many muslims condoning polygamy, but in their usual chauvinistic manner, only allowable for men. It seems like a prize for them, that if they are successful enough to be able to afford it, then they deserve to have extra wives. In the west we find this unacceptable, and see it as a diminution of the rights of females to be equal partners in a relationship.
Many muslims also still condone arranged marriages, and seek to stop their children choosing a life partner whom they actually fall in love with.
Many times we have seen the children who resist this abuse of their rights, murdered, by family members.

Intolerance for other beliefs, and denying people the right to choose their own beliefs is also unacceptable to most westerners.
We still see the Islamic religion preaching that those who choose to leave the Islamic faith, should be sentenced to death, that is unacceptable in any society, and unsupportable on any grounds whatsoever.

Muslims also show a massive disdain for many western freedoms, which they arbitrarily consider to be immoral, and seek to impose this moral sensibility on non-muslims, by curtailing their freedoms with threats of violence.

Muslims are also systemically racist against Jews, and promote their hatred to the extent that we see violence perpetrated against jewish people by muslims, who believe they will guarantee their place in heaven, by killing a jew. This is unacceptable.

Many Muslims are not accepting of secular, democratic government.

We see many muslims who claim that they must put their religious beliefs before the laws, and social norms, of non-muslim countries in which they choose to live, this is unacceptable.

Many muslims believe that only an Islamic Theocracy, is a valid regime, for most westerners, that is an abhorrent belief.

So while I agree that most muslims are decent people, who merely wish to live a happy peaceful life, they still have too many beliefs which they demand that the west accepts, on religious, or cultural grounds, that are simply unacceptable to modern western societies.

Most westerners do not wish to see their societies rights diminished, by accepting the imposition of Islamic customs which they consider to be inferior, and very often wrong.

Islam's confrontation with western values, leaves muslims with choices, they may moderate their behaviour to the point where they accept the western values of the society they live in, and assimilate peacefully into western society, or they may continue to demand that the west bends to their will, which will see more confrontation and mistrust of Islam, or they may choose to stay separate from western society, and practise their beliefs to whatever extreme they choose, in an Islamic country.

Personally i find it to be the height of arrogance, and rudeness, to seek refuge in a free country, and then denounce the values of that country and demand that they change, to appease your religious sensibilities.

Mozzaok - that is one of the best postings I have ever seen on the net.

May I use it elsewhere ?

Abuse of woman is not solely a muslim thing.  South Amwerica, which is very staunchly Catholic, has an appauling record for treating women. 
There have been many instances in South America where men have been found not guility of beating and even killing their spouses for slighting their honour.
Just today the Brazilian press bagged out a fashion model, labelling her "to fat to be a model." 
The western world does not reject mulsims, it rejects radical fundamentalist muslims, just as it rejects radical fundamentalists from any religion.

Bill