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Reply #15 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:44pm
 
Enough of my frivolity, back to the topic.
My religion also has issues with how society portrays body image, and with certain animals.
Will the scans in question be an issue for foolowers (not a typo) of FUKAL, who choose to wear the traditional female dress of a 'Knock Knock', where they encase themselves in an amorphous foam block, with attached periscope?

The lead lined model may be necessary if they are going to be confronted with such blatant transgressions of their spiritual belief to disguise their body shape completely.

We also are grossly offended by the existence of dogs, and fear that it was the work of LAKUF, to bring these foul creatures into FUKAL's creation.
Perhaps sniffer doves should be used for ourselves and like minded people of spiritual purity.
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Reply #16 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 1:21pm
 

True wise mozzaok.
Prob even thinking of money and the media is prob against FUKALs beliefs !!


Does the traditional "knock knock" dress apply soley to women ?
Do us men go through the scans wearing the classic  "GlamourGlapWrap"  garb ? Complete with knee covers ?


Sniffer doves are far preferred. Do they have bladder bags when in flight ?
That would be a gross insult otherwise !!!

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Reply #17 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 7:12pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:06am:
we've been through these points before.

hosea is in the OT. Not for xians.  thought you had glanced through the bible ??

yes, there is LOTS of bad stuff in the OT.
Considering it covers 4000 odd years, probably happens.
Most of it, God does not order or want.

btw, don't you reckon allah is God ?
Aren't you arguing against the koran as well ?

moses did not shag mary - he was too old.


considering the koran covers only only one lifetime and has wars from one end to the other and mohammad did shag a child, maybe you should be reconsider your comments ?


So you're telling me that nothing in the Old Testament is true? That God didn't order what I just put down?

Also I said Joseph married Mary, not Moses pbut. And he absolutely did have sex with her, in fact they had children

Acts 1:12-14
Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day's walk from the city. When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.


That is making it very clear that Jesus had brothers.

And Muslims do believe ALLAH is God, but we don't believe that the old testement and new testement are the messages sent down with the Prophets pbuh, but instead a corrupted form of the originals with other parts put in.
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Reply #18 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 9:10pm
 
no, I am saying the OT is correct.
I also said lots of bad stuff happened in the OT.

Aside from the fact God did not order that, why do you argue against what God says will happen?
Don't muslims say allah is God?




malik - you are saying an over 90 year old man had kids ??



yes yes yes, muslims think God gave the bible to men, then let it be substantially corrupted.

Why would he do that ?

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Reply #19 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 9:59pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 9:10pm:
no, I am saying the OT is correct.
I also said lots of bad stuff happened in the OT.

Aside from the fact God did not order that, why do you argue against what God says will happen?
Don't muslims say allah is God?

malik - you are saying an over 90 year old man had kids ??

yes yes yes, muslims think God gave the bible to men, then let it be substantially corrupted.

Why would he do that ?


No, Muslims believe God gave the people the Taraut and the Injeel, not the Bible, don't put words in my mouth. What was sent down with the propets is completely different. For example we believe Jesus pbuh was given scripture by God, a book in fact called the Injeel or Gospel, but this book is not the new testament, the new testament is the writings of some of those men who were around Jesus pbuh of their view of his life. Not the book Jesus pbuh was sent with.

Again, yes we say ALLAH is God. Just as Christian Arabs say ALLAH is God.

Next, you say God didn't order it?

Hosea pbuh was a Prophet of God was he not? If he is speaking in the Bible, then he is speaking on God's authority, thus being a messenger of God.

Let's look at Hosea 13 in its entirety:

Hosea 13
1 When Ephraim spake trembling, he exalted himself in Israel; but when he offended in Baal, he died.

2 And now they sin more and more, and have made them molten images of their silver, and idols according to their own understanding, all of it the work of the craftsmen: they say of them, Let the men that sacrifice kiss the calves.

3 Therefore they shall be as the morning cloud and as the early dew that passeth away, as the chaff that is driven with the whirlwind out of the floor, and as the smoke out of the chimney.

4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

5 I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.

6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.

7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:

8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.

9 O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.

10 I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes?

11 I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.

12 The iniquity of Ephraim is bound up; his sin is hid.

13 The sorrows of a travailing woman shall come upon him: he is an unwise son; for he should not stay long in the place of the breaking forth of children.

14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

15 Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.

16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.


Notice there how it is a quote DIRECTLY from God in Hosea 13, according to your belief, GOD ordered that little infants shall be cut in pieces, and pregnant women should have their bellies ripped up and the babies inside murdered.

Is that what your saying Sprint? Or is the Bible lying?

Oh and you also say that Joseph couldn't have had children with mary due to his age, I showed you a verse that proved Jesus pbuh had brothers.

Let's look at another verse relating to another situation where someone thought they were too old to have kids.

Genesis 18:9-14

9 And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.

10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.

11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?

13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.


God allowed them to corrupt His word because he had a plan for mankind. Just as he had a plan when making Adam pbuh, God KNEW Adam and Eve would make the mistake they did before even creating them because He is All Seeing, All Knowing.

It's His mercy on mankind and His plan for us.

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Reply #20 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:22pm
 
malik - please answer my direct questions.
Do not ask other questions in response.

"malik - you are saying an over 90 year old man had kids ??"


yes, God did not order it. He said it would happen.
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Reply #21 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:24pm
 
however do muslims change the topic from sniffer dogs in england to me defending the bible ??

I was having a good time with mozzaok.

what an oppressive mindset the moderates have !!
be alert everyone.
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Reply #22 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:27pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:22pm:
malik - please answer my direct questions.
Do not ask other questions in response.

"malik - you are saying an over 90 year old man had kids ??"


yes, God did not order it. He said it would happen.

God ORDERED IT as a punishment to those who rebelled against Him. He SENT that to them because of their arrogance.

Yes, I said a man who was over 90 had kids, it's not unheard of.
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Reply #23 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:30pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:24pm:
however do muslims change the topic from sniffer dogs in england to me defending the bible ??

I was having a good time with mozzaok.

what an oppressive mindset the moderates have !!
be alert everyone.

Now you know what it's like, you turned a thread about polygamy into your accusations of pedophilia and you've sidetracked many other threads too.

So I'll do what you do..

So now you agree, according to the bible, God allowed babies to be cut in pieces and pregnant women with to be murdered including the babies in their womb.. That sound pretty blood thirsty to me sprint.. Your book is full of bloodshed, pornography and pedophile 90 yo men marrying little 12 year old girls..

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Reply #24 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:59pm
 
Hi malik - show me where over 90 year olds father kids.

No, God did not order it as a puniushment, he said it would happen.
he predicted the future.
he did not command it.



"For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to hand you over to those you hate, to those you turned away from in disgust.  They will deal with you in hatred and take away everything you have worked for. They will leave you naked and bare, and the shame of your prostitution will be exposed. Your lewdness and promiscuity have brought this upon you, because you lusted after the nations and defiled yourself with their idols. You have gone the way of your sister; so I will put her cup into your hand.

"This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
      "You will drink your sister's cup,
      a cup large and deep;
      it will bring scorn and derision,
      for it holds so much.

You will be filled with drunkenness and sorrow,
      the cup of ruin and desolation,
      the cup of your sister Samaria. "

Ezekiel 23: 28-33


God did not want to see that happen to his children.
They ran from his care and protection, that is what happened when they did that.
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Reply #25 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:25pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:59pm:
Hi malik - show me where over 90 year olds father kids.

Sure, you asked for it.

Quote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2302545.ece
Father, 90, shows off new baby - and wants more

Nanu Ram Jogi with his latest child Girija Rajkumari attributes his long life and productivity to eating lots of meat

Jeremy Page in Delhi
The world’s oldest new dad has fathered his 21st child at the age of 90 and he says that he plans to continue breeding for at least another decade.

Nanu Ram Jogi, a farmer in the Indian state of Rajasthan, cannot remember exactly how many children he has produced with his four wives, but estimates that he has twelve sons, nine daughters and at least twenty grandchildren.

“Women love me,” he boasted as dozens of relatives came to see his 14-day-old daughter, Girija Rajkumari. “I want to have more children. I can survive another few decades and want to have children till I am 100. Then maybe it will be time to stop.”

Mr Jogi married his first wife, Lalki, in 1942 when he was 25, the world was at war and India was still five years away from gaining independence from Britain. He fathered his eldest daughter, Sita Devi, a year later.

He married his second wife, Punni, when he was 50 and his third marriage, to Rukman, came 20 years later in 1987. He married his current wife, Saburi, in 1997 when he was 80 and India’s economic boom was beginning to get under way.

Saburi, who is 50 and has given him seven children, was previously married to his eldest son, Shiv Lal, who died ten years ago.

“At first I didn’t want to stay here after my husband died,” she said. “It was a bad time and I was going to go back to my family, but Nanu insisted. He promised to look after me and said he would take care of my family, so I stayed and now we have seven children.”

So what is Mr Jogi’s secret? “I eat all kinds of meat: rabbits, lamb, chicken and wild animals,” he said. “There is a dense forest around the village. I go hunting most days and eat whatever I catch. Lots of food is my secret to staying healthy. I will survive another few decades to take care of these kids!”

The world’s oldest known father was an Australian called Les Colley, who was 92 when his ninth child was born. He died in 1998, just before his 100th birthday.



Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:59pm:

No, God did not order it as a puniushment, he said it would happen.
he predicted the future.
he did not command it.



"For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to hand you over to those you hate, to those you turned away from in disgust.  They will deal with you in hatred and take away everything you have worked for. They will leave you naked and bare, and the shame of your prostitution will be exposed. Your lewdness and promiscuity have brought this upon you, because you lusted after the nations and defiled yourself with their idols. You have gone the way of your sister; so I will put her cup into your hand.

"This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
      "You will drink your sister's cup,
      a cup large and deep;
      it will bring scorn and derision,
      for it holds so much.

You will be filled with drunkenness and sorrow,
      the cup of ruin and desolation,
      the cup of your sister Samaria. "

Ezekiel 23: 28-33


God did not want to see that happen to his children.
They ran from his care and protection, that is what happened when they did that.



No, actually READ what God says in that chapter:

4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

5 I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.

6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.

7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:

8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.


9 O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.

10 I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes?

11 I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.

12 The iniquity of Ephraim is bound up; his sin is hid.

13The sorrows of a travailing woman shall come upon him: he is an unwise son; for he should not stay long in the place of the breaking forth of children.

14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
15 Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.

16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.


That's clearly God saying He has a Hand in it.
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Reply #26 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 12:09am
 
no, it says he will save them if they are with him.
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Reply #27 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 12:17am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 12:09am:
no, it says he will save them if they are with him.

No, he's not. He's threatening them that if they don't repent he's going to have them cut into pieces and then show no compassion to them.

READ THE TEXT SPRINT.

You quite easily misquote the Qur'an and try and make it look like murder but you can't accept that in your own book it has God ordering little kids chopped into pieces and pregnant women's wombs to be torn out and them and their babies murdered..

That's what I mean, you fail to apply the same standards of judgement as you apply to Christianity. I have shown you exactly what you do and shown you that according to your own logic and the teachings of the bible and the Christian history that if we apply the same standards of judgement to Chrisitanity as you apply to Islam that there is no doubt that God allowed Joseph to be a pedophile and marry Mary who was 12-14 and he was 90 and also have kids with her. But also that according to your own book, God punished the Jews of Samaria with their children being chopped into little pieces and pregnant women's wombs ripped out and them both murdered.

It's obvious then that your book is a bloody book that encourages murder of little babies and that God allowed the mother of christ pbut to be the victim of a pedophile.

It preaches violence and hate, and encourages pedophilia.. That should be banned according to your logic..
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Reply #28 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 6:42am
 
Yes Malik, now you are on the right track, book banning would please FUKAL.
In fact banning things is one of FUKAL's greatest gifts to his followers,  so we only have FUKAL choices, and only receive FUKAL knowledge, and FUKAL experiences.
It is very important to FUKAL, that we have FUKAL learning.

In answer to Sprint's enquiry, only the males have to wear the 'KnockKnock', which is sometimes referred to as a 'who's there?', because FUKAL women are so lustful that the mere sight of any part of the male body sends them into a frenzy to FUKAL.

We pray every day, and are happy to know it does FUKAL good, for we then receive FUKAL help.
Praise FUKAL.

Here is me in my KnockKnock.
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Reply #29 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:42am
 
mozzaok - I never realised the KnockKnocks were so fashionable !!!

What a nice colour too. Another wonderful FUKAL design.




malik - it said it will happen. It did not encourage someone to do it.
yes, there are many bad things in the OT.
The OT is for jews, I am not a jew. (this is like talking to a child)
I can see where FUKAL is a good alternative.
At least I get a laugh from him.

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