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Reply #30 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:36pm:
Who are the Iraqis fighting to liberate their land from?

The West..
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Reply #31 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:41pm
 
Buggered if I know FD.........as far as I know the West wants to get out of there.

Over to you Malik?
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Reply #32 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:41pm
 
freediver, where have you been for the past 6 years?
Who are they fighting??  Grin
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Reply #33 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:43pm
 
Aussie,

Don't you mean now they've secured the oil, and setup a puppet government, they want to evacuate their troops, of course, nobody likes having to keep so many troops garrisoned inside their new acquisition.
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Reply #34 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:49pm
 
From what I can tell they fight each other just as often - eg sunni vs shiite. The US has given them democracy. They may not like it, but they just have to vote to get whatever they want. Maybe they are just really stupid and haven't figured out how it works yet. The sooner they stop blowing things up, the sooner the US will leave. We don't actually want to be there, holding their hands.

Or, more likely, the Iraqis support what the US has given them.
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Reply #35 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:51pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:43pm:
Aussie,

Don't you mean now they've secured the oil, and setup a puppet government, they want to evacuate their troops, of course, nobody likes having to keep so many troops garrisoned inside their new acquisition.



Well, if they've done all that....yes, I agree they should piss off.

Why haven't (us) they?
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Reply #36 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:52pm
 
The funny thing about this is that it's not just Muslims fighting in Iraq against the occupiers, My friend went to Iraq as a part of the Australian Army and said that in addition to Muslims fighting, that it's also Iraqi Christians and Jews fighting against the occupiers too.

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Reply #37 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:55pm
 
it's also Iraqi Christians and Jews fighting against the occupiers too

Are they Baathists?
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Re: More islamic groups forcing their wants
Reply #38 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:49pm:
From what I can tell they fight each other just as often - eg sunni vs shiite. The US has given them democracy. They may not like it, but they just have to vote to get whatever they want. Maybe they are just really stupid and haven't figured out how it works yet. The sooner they stop blowing things up, the sooner the US will leave. We don't actually want to be there, holding their hands.

Or, more likely, the Iraqis support what the US has given them.

Democracy? That is the biggest load of crap that I've ever heard. The US has given them a shamocracy just like it did with so many of it's puppet regimes in Latin America in history.

Most Iraqi's, in fact more than 80% want the US out, if they had democracy do you think the US would still be there?

In addition to that, the West has been directly implicated in fuelling the civil war in Iraq, with 2 UK SAS soldiers caught at a police road block with Arab clothing on and wigs who then shot the police officer and then were captured by the police.

In addition to that we know that the British fuelled the war in Northern Ireland and provided UDF forces with names and addresses of Irish Catholic's sympathetic to the Irish cause, having them tortured and executed.

The West has always tried dividing and conquering people, they did it in WW1 and haven't stopped since.

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Re: More islamic groups forcing their wants
Reply #39 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:13pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:55pm:
it's also Iraqi Christians and Jews fighting against the occupiers too

Are they Baathists?

Everybody was a Baathist in Iraq, you couldn't get any simple job, not even a job as a teacher unless you were a Baathist. Baathists are secular, not an Islamic organization.
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Reply #40 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:16pm
 
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Why haven't (us) they?


It's really quite amusing that you still think they're there for us.

They're there for themselves and themselves only. That's why the price of petrol has skyrocketed since they seized control of the oil fields. And guess what? US oil companies profits have skyrocketed since they went there too, and we, the poor little Aussies are now paying about twice as much for tol fill our tanks. Where do you think our money is going to?

At least Rudd kind of realised Australia has been duped, and has pulled some troops out, Howard would've kept us there for the long haul, just so he could visit the ranch in Texas and get his photo taken next to his hero.
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Reply #41 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:21pm
 
I don't think there's a single baathist let in Iraq. The Baath party was a secular party that was brought to power by none other than the USA, and they supported it for many decades, even whilst they were gassing the Kurds and Iranians.

The day Saddam's regime fell, there was not a single Baathist left in the country. The Yanks tried convincing us the insurgency was mostly Baath loyalists, but once Saddam was captured that fallacy became a little useless.
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Reply #42 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:39pm
 
Abu you conspiracist, petrol is far cheaper than a war.

Aussie is insignificant in the world.



malik - would you mind naming your "freedom fighter"  aka terrorist friends ?
your true colours are showing.
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Reply #43 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:43pm
 
sprint,

I still don't think you get it. The US went to war to get control of the second largest oil field in the world (they already own the largest, Saudi Arabia).

Now they possess the majority of the world's oil, all of a sudden the world oil price sky rockets, and US oil companies start posting record 4 fold profits...

If they're really our friends, and they secured most of the world's oil, shouldn't the price of petrol here go down, not up?
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Reply #44 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:47pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:39pm:
malik - would you mind naming your "freedom fighter"  aka terrorist friends ?
your true colours are showing.

Which freedom fighter/ terrorist friend?

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