Australian Politics Forum - Who needs lies like this???

BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Who needs lies like this??? Jul 9^th, 2008 at 1:06pm Dr Nelson is a fake. Australia is one of the major emitters when looked at in per-capita terms. It will all boil down to per-capita terms as the problem stems from greed. How much of the worlds oil does America consume compared to China and India for example?!? Nelson, and the Fibs, are possibly gone for good.
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Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Re: Who needs lies like this??? Reply #1 - Jul 9^th, 2008 at 3:05pm Lol. You're not John Frost of Greensborough, by any chance? I've read a letter in the Herald Sun today who used the exact term - "Fiberals".
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Who needs lies like this??? Reply #2 - Jul 9^th, 2008 at 5:04pm Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 9^th, 2008 at 3:05pm: Lol. You're not John Frost of Greensborough, by any chance? I've read a letter in the Herald Sun today who used the exact term - "Fiberals". No, it's common now!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49445 At my desk.	Re: Who needs lies like this??? Reply #3 - Jul 9^th, 2008 at 5:06pm I hope it never takes off, just like the stupid term 'Leibor'. It's a sign of the dumbing down of Australian politics to cheap slogans. Even the Americans are above that sort of thing.
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Reply #4 - Jul 9^th, 2008 at 5:44pm

Australia is going to have to work a little harder than most, to reach acceptable emission levels(per capita). This is because we have a relatively small population spread out around the edge of a huge continent.

Yet with all our sunlight, waves and wind its EASILY doable.

But then again, if we hadn't cut down all the trees, we wouldn't have this problem.

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Reply #5 - Jul 9^th, 2008 at 5:56pm

This is because we have a relatively small population spread out around the edge of a huge continent.

That may be a valid argument for our transport industry. However it only contributes a small fraction (20% from memory) to our greenhouse emissions. This will no doubt fall as oil runs out. Our electricity industry contributes over 50% of our emissions. Electricity is relatively easy to transport.

One thing we have in our favour is wealth. Plus, we are starting from such a bad position it will be easy to at least look good.

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strange allegiance New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Who needs lies like this??? Reply #6 - Jul 9^th, 2008 at 6:13pm "we are starting from such a bad position it will be easy to at least look good." LOL
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40774 Gender:	Re: Who needs lies like this??? Reply #7 - Jul 9^th, 2008 at 11:13pm The reason Aussie are big emitters is we mine many resources used worldwide. A LOT of emmissions are done then, for a product demanded/used overseas.
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Reply #8 - Jul 10^th, 2008 at 1:31am

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2008 at 5:56pm:

This is because we have a relatively small population spread out around the edge of a huge continent.

That may be a valid argument for our transport industry. However it only contributes a small fraction (20% from memory) to our greenhouse emissions. This will no doubt fall as oil runs out. Our electricity industry contributes over 50% of our emissions. Electricity is relatively easy to transport.

One thing we have in our favour is wealth. Plus, we are starting from such a bad position it will be easy to at least look good.

Plus, we already have HVDC in this country.

We are laughing!

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Reply #9 - Jul 10^th, 2008 at 1:35am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9^th, 2008 at 11:13pm:

The reason Aussie are big emitters is we mine many resources used worldwide.

A LOT of emmissions are done then, for a product demanded/used overseas.

For sure, but saying we are not major emitters commits the Fibs to many years in opposition.

Your statement means China shouldn't be to blame for the emissions it creates when making 70% of the worlds umbrellas.

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Who needs lies like this??? Reply #10 - Jul 10^th, 2008 at 7:46am Are we not the world's worst? On a per capita basis, when it comes to the environmental issues, we usually rank up top. I know the tyranny of distance adds dramatically to our oil use, but we should be able to improve from world's worst standards.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49445 At my desk.	Re: Who needs lies like this??? Reply #11 - Jul 10^th, 2008 at 12:39pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9^th, 2008 at 11:13pm: The reason Aussie are big emitters is we mine many resources used worldwide. A LOT of emmissions are done then, for a product demanded/used overseas. What percentage sprint? I think you'll find it's only a small fraction.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40774 Gender:	Re: Who needs lies like this??? Reply #12 - Jul 10^th, 2008 at 1:15pm "MACARTHUR Coal, the supplier of more than a third of the world's pulverised coal, has increased its annual profit guidance after a rise in expected sales." http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23997862-36418,00.html I think you will be surprised at the %age it is. Done the calculations yet ?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49445 At my desk.	Re: Who needs lies like this??? Reply #13 - Jul 10^th, 2008 at 1:19pm You made the claim sprint. You back it up.
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Reply #14 - Jul 10^th, 2008 at 1:42pm

It doesn't matter who is the worst. What matters more is who can lead by example, and then when everybody starts to follow the example we set, we sell them the technology and build their new power stations.

That's something to aspire to. We just need a government that walks the talk.

Any great leaders want to step forward?

Howard's Liberals already proved how myopic their future vision was. The ALP's poster boy 'Kevin07' has so far lived up to paying 'lipservice' to the climatic disaster that's about to hit us, but so far I've gained no inspiration from his utterances.

We can't really control what China or the US or India emit, so let's concentrate on what we can control - our own emissions.

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