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Did they? You are the one claiming they did.

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Islam spread so rapidly, because people embraced it en masse and carried it all around the world. To suggest otherwise is just ridiculous. This whole idea that Islam is an entity unto itself, that nobody actually wants, and everyone supposedly doesn't want to live under or believe in is just nonsense. Really I can't believe you're so feeble as to subscribe to such an idea freediver.

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Ok, if they're so defeated, then why all the propaganda aboout them taking over the world? Get your stories straight. Either they're defeated and none of them actually believe in Islam or want to carry it, or they're all so zealous about it they're on the verge of taking over the world, so you've gotta waste half your time exposing then dangers of it. Really you should step back and take a look at how ridiculous your arguments are.

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Just said they're a little pre-occupied at the moment. Read into what you want, it's a pretty simple statement that you shouldn't have too much trouble grasping.

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Nope, you're the one who's a little mixed up here. I stated in response to this that Muslims have no strategy, ie. not engaging in any concerted effort to spread Islam. As I said above, I'm sure you won't have too much trouble grasping it. Read it again, and stop searching for the hidden meanings, taqiyya and all that crap. Just read my words.

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That's what an expanionist military empire is all about. You appear to have some warped 'Islamic fairytale' version of history.

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Then why kill apostates? Why forbid democracy? If people really did want Islam there would be no need to impose it from above.

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What propaganda? It's simply a matter of history.

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Strawman. The Caliphate is defeated. The military threat of Islam has been largely dealt with.

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I'm not searching for hidden meanings. I just want you to answer the question. This strategy does not require people to act in concert. Some Muslims go into places with freedom of religion and preach the religion of peace and equality. Others go there and blow up buildings. Some stay behind to lop off the heads of apostates. None of this is by mutual agreement. In fact, Islam commands that they all follow their own interpretation so that the loonies are not reigned in nuntil Islam conquers the world. But it is still a strategy for the spread of Islam.

Do you see the exploitation by Islam of freedom and tolerance abroad, combined with intolerance and the denial of freedom where Islam gains power, as a strategy for the spread of islam?

But they have been for hundreds of years, planning and plotting, that is. It isn't necessarily a goal they hope to achieve in their own lifetimes.

There are a lot of Muslims. There are a lot of Muslim business men. There are a lot of Muslim only organisations/gangs/whatever.

If you don't think they have a capability to wage global war, you are mistaken.

Ok, so their war effort might consist of burning cars, stabbings, shootings, bombings, and mass disruption via protests, and not involve things like cruise missiles and helicopters, but they still have some capability.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:23pm:




Uh... oh....  Mind like a sieve.

Lemme help:


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1224199954/8#8

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 11:43am:




Utter, utter facrication. How very dare you, locutius ?

Thanks Soren, I was wondering how long it would take for me to find it.

How did you do it?

Gaybriel, I did not assume or think it was a joke. Why would I when it was part of (IMO) a serious conversation. I referenced that statement a few times and did not recieve a rebuttal on this "utter fabrication". I'm always willing to concede a mistake but not that I am a liar.

Women, girls - what's the difference?




'Girls over 10 or 12 years are eligible for marriage'
14 Jan 2009, 1932 hrs
Times of India


RIYADH: Saudi Arabia's senior-most cleric said girls as young as 10 years old can be married, local media reported on Wednesday. 


The powerful Grand Mufti Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh said in a speech late on Monday that Islamic Sharia law allows the practice of pre-teen girls getting married, and that critics of the practice were doing the girls "an injustice," reports said.

"We hear often in the media about the marriage of minors. We must know that Sharia law is not unjust for women," the cleric is quoted as saying.

"If it is said that a woman below 15 cannot be married, that is wrong. If a girl exceeds 10 or 12 then she is eligible for marriage, and whoever thinks she is too young, then he or she is wrong and has done her an injustice."

His comment came in the wake of several well-publicized cases of young girls being married to men sometimes old enough to be their great-grandfathers.

On Monday a court in Taif allowed an 11-year-old girl to separate from her 75-year-old husband after the girl's mother petitioned the court, according to a report in Okaz newspaper. The girl's father had arranged the marriage in exchange for a dowry, it said.

In December a Saudi court at Unayzah, 220 kilometres (135 miles) north of Riyadh, rejected a plea to divorce an eight-year-old girl married off by her father to a man who is 58, saying the case should wait until the girl reaches puberty.

Saudi human rights groups are fighting the old practice of children being married off to much older men by their parents and seek to establish a legal minimum age for women to be married. 

locutius,

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Firstly it was followed by a smile, and I was saying something derogatory about myself (ie. that I'm a blind follower) quite obviously indicating that it was in jest.

Secondly, if you scroll back in that thread, to page 2 reply #18, from soren, you'd see he accused Muslims of blindly following imams. I was merely highlighting the stupidity of his stereotype, by parroting his original slander against Muslims  and their ability to engage in free thought..

I'd say on the first point alone, anyone with an average intelligence would've suspected it was not serious... Then again when ordinarily intelligent people are blinded by hatred for something, they seem to act with below average intelligence.

Marriage or No Marriage
  Written By: Abdul Rahim Al-Showthabi (YEMEN POST STAFF)
  Article Date: January 19, 2009
   
"I 'm not young anymore to get married. I am in my late thirties so it is not easy," said 38 year-old and primary school teacher Mona.

The norms of our society compel a woman to make unsatisfied choices to marry as early as possible or to remain single beyond the usual age. However, thousands of women struggle during the time they remain unmarried.

According to a new study conducted by researcher Shuroog Ba-Mogbl, more than half a million women go above their thirties and still stay unmarried. Also the motive behind spinster was revealed as the society has negative thoughts towards working women.

"Hearing negative comments about educated women, I prefer to marry uneducated rural girls as I believe that uneducated girls are more innocent and easier to control," said 27 year old Rashid Al-Sa'di.

"If we can liberate ourselves a little from having bad feelings towards educated women, we won't have the big crisis of early marriage in Yemen," said lawyer and human rights activist Afra Hariri. "People's way of thinking towards educated women and divorced ones raises the issue of spinster in the country" she added.

Belqis Al-Lahabi a human rights activist who also passed through struggles of being unmarried, said that educated women often prefer to marry wealthy men and this is one reason for the delay of their marriages, which also leads them to marry older men.

Sociology professor at Sana'a University Adel Al-Sharjabi said that late marriage is believed to be a crisis not only in Yemen but also in all Arab countries. "The period of time in which the woman stays unmarried is harmful as her behavior is watched and her movements are monitored more than others," he added.

In a country where many older women are struggling to get  married, the rate of early marriages are increasing dramatically. The wait that older women go through leads younger women to get married as early as possible.

"I don't know anything about my childhood only a girl who had to bring water from a far away water wells," said 28 year-old Daula Hassan who got married 15 years ago to a man in her father's age. "If I have something to regret, it is my childhood," she added.

Volunteer lawyer of (Nujood, Arwa and Reem,) who all got married before the age of 14, Shatha Nasser said that the reasons that led her clients' families to accept early marriages for their daughters was their parents financial reasons.

The law before 1990 stated that the girl must reach the age of sixteen to get married and any marriage before the limited age is a crime and those who violate the law must be imprisoned not less than a year and not more than three years and pay money for the woman as a compensation.   

"It is a potential risk that men turn to marry younger girls and leave adult ones," said Head of the Sister Arab Forum for Human Rights, Amal Basha.   

Researcher and parliament member Faud Dahabh believes that under age marriage is not permitted in Sharia if it harms the girl. He went on that numerous cases of early marriages assured that many girls were harmed when they got married early.      

Sana'a university faculty of law professor Abdul Mo'men Shuja' Al-Dein said that the new law does not make it clear as it states that the marriage of the child girl is illegal." "The law also states that the silence of a woman when asked for marriage is a sign of acceptance and this law is against the international agreements that Yemen signed," he added.

Locals who got married at a early age describe their practice of sex with their wives to bakers who bake bread in cold ovens.

Professor and jurisprudence's professor and ex-head of the Faculty of Law Sana'a University Hassan Al-Ahdel stated that it is not fair to force a female child to get married early because such a marriage could result to many problems.

He revealed that famous Islamic scholars as Abu Hainfah fixes marriage age at 18 and considers this age to be the minimum, because a man or a woman becomes full-grown and able to take decisions out of his own sense and consideration.

Early marriage is one of the biggest development challenges in Yemen according to Naseem-Ur-Rehman, Chief Information Officer at UNICEF Sana’a. A 2006 field study revealed that child marriage among Yemeni girls reached 52.1%, compared to 6.7% among males. The study, conducted by the Woman and Development Study Center, affiliated to Sana’a University, looked at 1,495 couples.   

http://www.yemenpost.net/64/Reports/20081.htm