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Pommy Bastard

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Reply #30 - Jul 25^th, 2008 at 6:49pm

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 5:38pm:

Pommy Bastard wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 2:36pm:

It would be fair to say that an "ideal" Islamic state would be one which has no contact with the wider world.

Not true at all, the Islamic state always had contact with the wider world and had very good trade relations with many nations.

But would an "ideal" Islamic state want to face the corrupting influences of the rest of the world, and would it not have a desire to convert others?

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Reply #31 - Jul 26^th, 2008 at 12:23am

Pommy Bastard wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 6:49pm:

But would an "ideal" Islamic state want to face the corrupting influences of the rest of the world, and would it not have a desire to convert others?

If there was an Islamic state of course we'd preach to non Muslims, we are obligated by God to do so, but this would be a part of the diplomacy of the state and not something we're going to force other nations to take on. If they accept Islam then that's good for them. If not then that's fine, it's not our business. In addition to that Islam encourages establishing friendly and peaceful ties with non Islamic states and also encourages trade between the nations.

The only time when this would not be forbidden is if the non-Muslims attack the Islamic state, then it's war. But in the absence of war there could only be benefits in establishing good relations with other nations.

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Reply #32 - Jul 28^th, 2008 at 1:54pm

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 12:23am:

Thank you for that. However, any state which is under duress to preach the tenets of its beliefs to others will never be at peace with itself, and therefore cannot be ideal.

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Reply #34 - Jul 28^th, 2008 at 10:39pm

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2008 at 8:01pm:

The only time when this would not be forbidden is if the non-Muslims attack the Islamic state, then it's war.

How do you distinguish this from the typical 'tit for tat' exchanges and arms races that traditionally lead to war?

Diplomacy is diplomacy FD, the choice to go to war is not an easy one.. It should be the last resort in any state's ability to resolve problems and that is the Islamic stance. Look at how patient we were with the Pagan Quraish or how patient we were with the Crusaders.

War isn't good.. It IS necessary sometimes sadly but only as a last resort.

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