Australian Politics Forum - Welcome moderators.

Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Welcome moderators. Aug 1^st, 2008 at 5:19pm Hi Abu & Malik, Good of you to take up the role of moderator. I can only suggest and hope that this board will allow discussion of Islam as a religion and not degenerate into a political slanging match. Congratulations and enjoy!
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Reply #1 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 6:27pm

Thanks Acid.

I am hoping to write a small post with some guidelines about etiquette when posting here.

I don't want to stifle any kind of free debate and even criticism/challenge of Islam as an ideology and it's history but basically just want to ensure that it remains nice and friendly, and is based on a sincere and mature desire to expose the reality.

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Welcome moderators. Reply #2 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 8:35pm Might I suggest you do some research into progressive Islam, so as not to give people the idea that the form of Islam that you and Malik adhere to is not the only option.
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Malik Shakur Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 799 Auckland, New Zealand Gender:	Re: Welcome moderators. Reply #3 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 8:45pm mozzaok wrote on Aug 1^st, 2008 at 8:35pm: Might I suggest you do some research into progressive Islam, so as not to give people the idea that the form of Islam that you and Malik adhere to is not the only option. What is progressive Islam Mozza, please inform us.
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Welcome moderators. Reply #4 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 8:53pm So, will this be like muslimvillage in here? Because you may as well ban me now.
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Malik Shakur

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Reply #5 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:27pm

jordan484 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2008 at 8:53pm:

So, will this be like muslimvillage in here? Because you may as well ban me now.

Why, are you incapable of having fruitful dialogue where you can disagree with others in a way which is not insulting or disrespectful to their beliefs?

Because that's just proper manners and courtesy that one should have for their fellow man even when not talking about religion.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Welcome moderators. Reply #6 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:38pm Because, simply stating an opinion, a certain like or dislike, a cartoon or blog or article unfavourable to muslims, or a separate belief system, IS insulting and disrespectful to Islam and muslims. There can be no true dialogue because it's stifled under the guise of disrespect.
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Welcome moderators. Reply #7 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:40pm And don't give me that crap about manners. You posted a photo of a fire and told me to enjoy hell. You're a hypocrite.
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Malik Shakur Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 799 Auckland, New Zealand Gender:	Re: Welcome moderators. Reply #8 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:45pm jordan484 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:40pm: And don't give me that crap about manners. You posted a photo of a fire and told me to enjoy hell. You're a hypocrite. And I'm sorry for that, I had assumed you were offering the pork to Abu. My sincerest apologies.
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Reply #9 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:54pm

Well, that's my point. So what if I was. Pork is not offensive to me, just because it is for you, or abu, doesn't mean I can't say that I like it without being told I'm lying about liking the taste of "filthy swine". It's always all about what you may find offensive, there is no give and take, it's all take, take, take.

I respect your right to believe what you believe. But that's as far as it goes. I don't believe what you do, and I don't respect what you believe either. I'm not going to pretend that I do.

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Malik Shakur

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Reply #10 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:54pm

jordan484 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:38pm:

Because, simply stating an opinion, a certain like or dislike, a cartoon or blog or article unfavourable to muslims, or a separate belief system, IS insulting and disrespectful to Islam and muslims. There can be no true dialogue because it's stifled under the guise of disrespect.

Surely you were brought up with enough manners and logic to know the difference between disagreeing and insulting. Many people go onto the Muslimvillage website and disagree with Muslims with no hassles at all, it's only people who outwardly go on trying to troll, insult Islam and the Prophet pbuh that get banned.

How do you expect to have productive and fruitful dialogue when you are putting up degrading cartoons and hurling insults at another's religion?

There's a big difference, if you aren't prepared to have fruitful and productive dialogue then feel free not to post on this forum.

If you are willing to have proper discussions with manners and using ettiquite then please do, we'd love to chat.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Welcome moderators. Reply #11 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 10:00pm As I stated, there can be no true dialogue because it's stifled under the guise of disrespect.
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Malik Shakur

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Reply #12 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 10:00pm

jordan484 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:54pm:

Well, that's my point. So what if I was. Pork is not offensive to me, just because it is for you, or abu, doesn't mean I can't say that I like it without being told I'm lying about liking the taste of "filthy swine". It's always all about what you may find offensive, there is no give and take, it's all take, take, take.

Well there's a big difference, one is showing your love for it. Which is fine. But when you try and impose it on another in an attempt to insult them then that isn't appropriate.

I agree that Abu_Rashid shouldn't have told you what you like and don't like.

jordan484 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2008 at 9:54pm:

I respect your right to believe what you believe. But that's as far as it goes. I don't believe what you do, and I don't respect what you believe either. I'm not going to pretend that I do.

Who says you have to respect what we believe? No one's asked you to at all. But there should be appropriate respect for those who you are having dialogue with by not insulting their beliefs.

How on earth do you expect to have any fruitful dialogue when you are insulting the things which are dearest to them?

If you aren't prepared to have that fruitful dialogue then don't post.. It's that simple.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Welcome moderators. Reply #13 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 10:01pm Point proven.
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Malik Shakur Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 799 Auckland, New Zealand Gender:	Re: Welcome moderators. Reply #14 - Aug 1^st, 2008 at 10:01pm jordan484 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2008 at 10:00pm: As I stated, there can be no true dialogue because it's stifled under the guise of disrespect. Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn how to debate someone respectfully then. If you can't then you are seriously lacking some very important life skills.
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