|dev|null wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:37pm:


Islamophobia is a technically and logically incorrect term used by muslims and their apologists to silence valid criticism of Islam, the term Islamophobia is a product of political Islam.

Phobias are a mental condition that compel people to avoid things,Islam is an ideology a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it is a fallacy that one can be phobic of beliefs.

If someone was truly phobic they would avoid it not confront it.

So why does the medical profession not recognise this technically and logically incorrect term called Islamophobia?
psychology.about.com/od/phobias/a/phobialist.htm

Islamophobia = fear of islam.

Baron and your ilk visibly shaking with fear of islam. You come here day in day out to express your great fear of islam and muslims. They are under your beds, islam is about to take over our way of life, a terrorist is hiding behind every corner waiting to chop your head off. You are quaking with fear.

So please, don't insult our intelligence Baron - islamophobic is the most apt term in the world to describe people like you.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:00pm:


This is lame-o.  Label everyone who openly oppose an ideology - islam, nazism, communism, scientology, - as nothing but baseless fear, hoping they will shut up lest be thought cowards for speaking out.  Labelling speaking out as cowardice - and you think you have made a compelling point.
Laughable.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:11pm:

Rapists do not claim to be the correct interpretation of manhood, they do not kill other men who have different notions of manhood, they do not want to make a worldwide umma of rapists.
Jihadis do claim to be true muslims, kill other who have a different notion of islam and want a worldwide ummah.
You should think about the pertinent issues before you blurt out a ridiculous nonanalogy like rape. Does you no credit, especially as a would be  as a know-it-all better bossy boots.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Is that your husband has learned to call you?

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:09pm:


You are demanding that muslims become something that is actually abnormal to Australian culture and attitudes. No one else performs this fantasy act of yours of constantly jumping up and down screaming as loud as they can about how much they love freedom. And the only people who even thinks about this sort of thing are the far right libertarian lunatic fringe. In the Australia that exists on planet earth, most people spend more time calling for freedoms to be curtailed, rather than standing up for them - equally so on both sides of politics. Surveys on the 18c debate indicated that a huge majority of people are supportive of restrictions on freedom to protect people from being threatened - and yes, even from being offended.

The simple fact of the matter is, what you are rabidly demanding of muslims, is is an alien concept to most Australians. Does that make the majority of Australians dangerous freedom haters? Of course not. It means that most Australians are sensible enough to take a far more nuanced approach to freedom than you, since they recognise the very real threat of vilification and prejudice against minorities that comes with unfettered free speech. That is why singling out muslims on this issue is both unreasonable and illogical. You have been unable to refute my contention that mainstream muslims hate head hackers and extremists as much as any other mainstream Australian - and your only counter is to condemn muslims for not doing what no other Australian does - nor are expected to do! If its an issue of muslims not doing the flag waving act that no one else does - then it is clearly not a problem with muslims, but a problem with the whole of society. But if, on the other hand, we take the common sense approach of judging mainstream muslims by their demonstrated values as compared to the the wider mainstream community, then there really is no case against them. And you have presented no case against them - besides the wholly illogical approach of pointing to a particular interpretation of Quranic and Prophetic examples that mainstream muslims clearly reject.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:11pm:


Of course. That is exactly what I am asking you to do.

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I am hardly going to cover it up, am I? Or fund it. Or apologise for it. Or protest about police investigations. Or claim victimhood that police target men when investigating rape. Or get offended if you expect me to "distance" myself from rapists. Or refuse to state that women have a right to walk our streets safely without being labelled pieces of meat left out for the cats, because saying this contradicts my religion. Yet Muslims do all this, at the same time as Australia is leaking head hacking rapists to destabilise the middle east and probably draw us into another long war.

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Have you been labelled a spineless apologist? What do you think of the quotes by Brian et al that I have labelled spineless apologetics?

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What is abnormal? Uttering the word freedom?

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This is a politics forum Gandalf. We are calmly debating it. The fantasy is all yours. The sickness is all yours.

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And Barack Obama. He recently felt compelled to speak out in defence of freedom of speech in response to head hacking Muslims (and plenty of their 'mainstream' apologists) trying to take it away.

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It puts freedom of speech under threat. The debate about 18C is a far cry from Islam. But it does demonstrate one thing - Australians do have the debate and do utter words like freedom. This is the debate that is oddly missing from the Islamic community. It is the debate they refuse to have, because Islam and freedom are incompatible. It is not a matter of nuance or balancing rights and freedoms. It is a matter of Islam being completely hostile to freedom.

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Who is singling out Muslims? I have debated this on the 18C issue. It has come up in the marine park debate and several others.

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We are talking about freedom of speech Gandalf. You are changing the topic, because you are incapable of finding a single Muslim leader promoting the right to depict or mock Muhammed.

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Plenty do - hence the 18C debate, and one of our major parties attempting to get rid of it. And that is a heated debate over a comparatively minor threat to freedom of speech.

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Like I keep repeating, how about we start with uttering the word freedom. Or with you finally offering your views on people's right to depict and mock Muhammed.

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Nice try at shifting the goal posts. It is impossible to demonstrate your values when they are never put to the test. When they are, Muslims fail. When the OIC tried to use the UN to destroy freedom of speech and freedom of religion, how many of our Muslim leaders could bring themselves to utter the word freedom? When head hacking lunatics all over the world blew up over books, videos, cartoons etc, how many of our Muslim leaders could bring themselves to utter the word freedom in a single one of their frequent press releases?

None. Because Islam is hostile to freedom.