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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #120 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:48pm

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I am hardly going to cover it up, am I? Or fund it. Or apologise for it. Or protest about police investigations. Or claim victimhood that police target men when investigating rape. Or get offended if you expect me to "distance" myself from rapists. Or refuse to state that women have a right to walk our streets safely without being labelled pieces of meat left out for the cats, because saying this contradicts my religion. Yet Muslims do all this, at the same time as Australia is leaking head hacking rapists to destabilise the middle east and probably draw us into another long war.

No. Most Muslims are just going about their business and not doing any of these things. If a significant proportion of Muslims were doing what you say above, they'd be a hell of a lot more visible.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #121 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:30pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:37pm:

So, applying that logic to the problem of Islamophobic attacks

Islamophobia is a technically and logically incorrect term used by muslims and their apologists to silence valid criticism of Islam, the term Islamophobia is a product of political Islam.

Phobias are a mental condition that compel people to avoid things,Islam is an ideology a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it is a fallacy that one can be phobic of beliefs.

If someone was truly phobic they would avoid it not confront it.

So why does the medical profession not recognise this technically and logically incorrect term called Islamophobia?
psychology.about.com/od/phobias/a/phobialist.htm

On 'Islamophobia', above, well said.

And what was said, is very pertinent to exposing the fact of the counterfeit nature, and the almost 'universal' invalidity of many of the arguments, that are being proffered by moslems, to defend ISLAM, and to defend the moslem 'position' on the 'rights' of moslems, not to be 'persecuted' for 'following' ISLAM.

One of the obvious 'religious' 'rights' that many, many moslems in the world seem to aspire to [even if many of the moslems who live among us, seem reluctant to acknowledge];

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #122 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:54pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:48pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I am hardly going to cover it up, am I? Or fund it. Or apologise for it. Or protest about police investigations. Or claim victimhood that police target men when investigating rape. Or get offended if you expect me to "distance" myself from rapists. Or refuse to state that women have a right to walk our streets safely without being labelled pieces of meat left out for the cats, because saying this contradicts my religion. Yet Muslims do all this, at the same time as Australia is leaking head hacking rapists to destabilise the middle east and probably draw us into another long war.

No. Most Muslims are just going about their business and not doing any of these things. If a significant proportion of Muslims were doing what you say above, they'd be a hell of a lot more visible.

But some do. Some muslim, including leaders, do.

No atheists, agnostics, not even scientologists and wiccans or uniting church types do. None. Not even a minority. But some muslims do.

Islam has nuffin to do wiv nuffin, Annie.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #123 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:58pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:48pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I am hardly going to cover it up, am I? Or fund it. Or apologise for it. Or protest about police investigations. Or claim victimhood that police target men when investigating rape. Or get offended if you expect me to "distance" myself from rapists. Or refuse to state that women have a right to walk our streets safely without being labelled pieces of meat left out for the cats, because saying this contradicts my religion. Yet Muslims do all this, at the same time as Australia is leaking head hacking rapists to destabilise the middle east and probably draw us into another long war.

No. Most Muslims are just going about their business and not doing any of these things. If a significant proportion of Muslims were doing what you say above, they'd be a hell of a lot more visible.

Did you notice we are at war again? With invisible Muslims apparently.

Silence is not the same thing as actually supporting freedom of speech. No-one ever obtained or maintained their freedom by not speaking up for it. Women did not outlaw rape or obtain the rights they have today by minding their own business and not joining in with the rapists.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #124 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:00pm:

Islamophobia = fear of islam.

Baron and your ilk visibly shaking with fear of islam. You come here day in day out to express your great fear of islam and muslims. They are under your beds, islam is about to take over our way of life, a terrorist is hiding behind every corner waiting to chop your head off.

You are quaking with fear.

So please, don't insult our intelligence Baron - islamophobic is the most apt term in the world to describe people like you.

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In your dreams!

gandalf,

I am [and many others too, are] 'banging the drum' about ISLAM, every day, because i believe that it is the right thing to do.

To shine a light, on what ISLAM is.

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Every moslem, that lives among us, IS A REAL THREAT, TO OUR PEACE [...a real threat to whatever peace we do enjoy].

THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERY MOSLEM.....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411947310/0#0
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If a Muslim isn’t himself a terrorist he certainly supports terrorism.

And there isn’t a Muslim alive who doesn’t hope to one day see Sharia imposed in western countries.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #126 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:13pm

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:48pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I am hardly going to cover it up, am I? Or fund it. Or apologise for it. Or protest about police investigations. Or claim victimhood that police target men when investigating rape. Or get offended if you expect me to "distance" myself from rapists. Or refuse to state that women have a right to walk our streets safely without being labelled pieces of meat left out for the cats, because saying this contradicts my religion. Yet Muslims do all this, at the same time as Australia is leaking head hacking rapists to destabilise the middle east and probably draw us into another long war.

No. Most Muslims are just going about their business and not doing any of these things. If a significant proportion of Muslims were doing what you say above, they'd be a hell of a lot more visible.

But some do. Some muslim, including leaders, do.

No atheists, agnostics, not even scientologists and wiccans or uniting church types do. None. Not even a minority. But some muslims do.

Islam has nuffin to do wiv nuffin, Annie.

Pardon?

Scientologists don't fund scientologist extremism? Or apologise for it? Protest investigations into it? Threaten violence? Women in Scientology aren't even allowed to cry out in childbirth. I don't hold John Travolta accountable for violent scientologists - I don't even expect him to publicly distance himself from them.

Evangelical Christians in Africa burn children in the name of Jesus Christ. They cover it up, apologise for it and fund it. Then they rort it. I don't need Yadda to publicly announce that he doesn't support the burning of children.

There are some f.cked up Muslims out there, but dealing with them is not the responsibility of other Muslims who are just trying to deal with life.

If the overwhelming majority of Muslims pose no danger to our society, then the default attitude of people dealing with individual Muslims should reflect that.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #127 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:18pm

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:48pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I am hardly going to cover it up, am I? Or fund it. Or apologise for it. Or protest about police investigations. Or claim victimhood that police target men when investigating rape. Or get offended if you expect me to "distance" myself from rapists. Or refuse to state that women have a right to walk our streets safely without being labelled pieces of meat left out for the cats, because saying this contradicts my religion. Yet Muslims do all this, at the same time as Australia is leaking head hacking rapists to destabilise the middle east and probably draw us into another long war.

No. Most Muslims are just going about their business and not doing any of these things. If a significant proportion of Muslims were doing what you say above, they'd be a hell of a lot more visible.

Did you notice we are at war again? With invisible Muslims apparently.

Silence is not the same thing as actually supporting freedom of speech. No-one ever obtained or maintained their freedom by not speaking up for it. Women did not outlaw rape or obtain the rights they have today by minding their own business and not joining in with the rapists.

Perhaps people are just quietly enjoying their freedom to shout. Not every freedom needs to be exercised all of the time.

I can't believe you of all people think that the greatest threat to our freedom at this current time is Muslims. God, Freediver - our freedoms are being ripped out from us while people like you are looking at the horizon for a threat that isn't even there.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #128 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:20pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:08pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:28pm:

You just called me a know-it-all bossy boots. That's a bit mean.

You could've said...refreshingly assertive woman of rare intelligence.

Ha, ha.

A comedienne.

Yadda wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:08pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:28pm:

You just called me a know-it-all bossy boots. That's a bit mean.

You could've said...refreshingly assertive woman of rare intelligence.

Ha, ha.

A comedienne.

Ah yes. Thank you for reminding me.

Soren, as Yadda pointed out, you could've said...refreshingly assertive woman of rare intelligence and rapier sharp wit.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #129 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:24pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:48pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I am hardly going to cover it up, am I? Or fund it. Or apologise for it. Or protest about police investigations. Or claim victimhood that police target men when investigating rape. Or get offended if you expect me to "distance" myself from rapists. Or refuse to state that women have a right to walk our streets safely without being labelled pieces of meat left out for the cats, because saying this contradicts my religion. Yet Muslims do all this, at the same time as Australia is leaking head hacking rapists to destabilise the middle east and probably draw us into another long war.

No. Most Muslims are just going about their business and not doing any of these things. If a significant proportion of Muslims were doing what you say above, they'd be a hell of a lot more visible.

But some do. Some muslim, including leaders, do.

No atheists, agnostics, not even scientologists and wiccans or uniting church types do. None. Not even a minority. But some muslims do.

Islam has nuffin to do wiv nuffin, Annie.

Pardon?

Scientologists don't fund scientologist extremism? Or apologise for it? Protest investigations into it? Threaten violence? Women in Scientology aren't even allowed to cry out in childbirth. I don't hold John Travolta accountable for violent scientologists - I don't even expect him to publicly distance himself from them.

Evangelical Christians in Africa burn children in the name of Jesus Christ.

They cover it up, apologise for it and fund it. Then they rort it.

I don't need Yadda to publicly announce that he doesn't support the burning of children.

Jesus said.....

Luke 18:16
.....Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Jesus didn't say burn children.

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Evangelical Christians in Africa burn children in the name of Jesus Christ.

Annie,

It sounds like those 'Evangelical Christians' in Africa are worshippers of Molech.

Leviticus 18:21
And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

2 Kings 16:3
But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.

2 Kings 17:17
And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

2 Kings 21:6
And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

2 Chronicles 33:6
And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Psalms 106:34
They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom the LORD commanded them:
35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.
37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.

Jeremiah 32:35
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

Ezekiel 16:20
Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?

And on, and on, and on.....

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #130 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:26pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:24pm:

Jesus said.....

Luke 18:16
.....Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Jesus didn't say burn children.

Evangelical Christians in Africa burn children in the name of Jesus Christ.

Annie,

It sounds like those 'Evangelical Christians' in Africa are worshippers of Molech.

Nope - they've just been told that's how you deal with witches. Surely you've heard about it.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #131 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:37pm

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:48pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I am hardly going to cover it up, am I? Or fund it. Or apologise for it. Or protest about police investigations. Or claim victimhood that police target men when investigating rape. Or get offended if you expect me to "distance" myself from rapists. Or refuse to state that women have a right to walk our streets safely without being labelled pieces of meat left out for the cats, because saying this contradicts my religion. Yet Muslims do all this, at the same time as Australia is leaking head hacking rapists to destabilise the middle east and probably draw us into another long war.

No. Most Muslims are just going about their business and not doing any of these things. If a significant proportion of Muslims were doing what you say above, they'd be a hell of a lot more visible.

Did you notice we are at war again? .

Thanks, FD. That explains it then.

Some others we’ve been at war with:

Saddam, rag-heads, Charlie, Chinky Chonks, Japs, Krauts, Johnny Turk, and more Krauts.

Lucky they all supported Freeeedom, eh?

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #132 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:39pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:26pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:24pm:

Jesus said.....

Luke 18:16
.....Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Jesus didn't say burn children.

Evangelical Christians in Africa burn children in the name of Jesus Christ.

Annie,

It sounds like those 'Evangelical Christians' in Africa are worshippers of Molech.

Nope - they've just been told that's how you deal with witches. Surely you've heard about it.

Y disobeys those bits.

Naughty Y.

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Reply #133 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:39pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:26pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:24pm:

Jesus said.....

Luke 18:16
.....Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Jesus didn't say burn children.

Evangelical Christians in Africa burn children in the name of Jesus Christ.

Annie,

It sounds like those 'Evangelical Christians' in Africa are worshippers of Molech.

Nope - they've just been told that's how you deal with witches. Surely you've heard about it.

What witchcraft did those children commit ?

And, are 'Evangelical Christians' in Africa, Hebrews ? ....in that they ['Evangelical Christians'] are enforcing laws that applied to those who were living among the Hebrew people, of old.

Clearly those 'Evangelical Christians' in Africa are in error.

But will they be corrected ?

I doubt it.

Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD.

Those 'Evangelical Christians' in Africa, are killing children [as witches], because those 'Evangelical Christians' in Africa, have a 'purpose' [of their own] in killing those children.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #134 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:44pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:48pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I am hardly going to cover it up, am I? Or fund it. Or apologise for it. Or protest about police investigations. Or claim victimhood that police target men when investigating rape. Or get offended if you expect me to "distance" myself from rapists. Or refuse to state that women have a right to walk our streets safely without being labelled pieces of meat left out for the cats, because saying this contradicts my religion. Yet Muslims do all this, at the same time as Australia is leaking head hacking rapists to destabilise the middle east and probably draw us into another long war.

No. Most Muslims are just going about their business and not doing any of these things. If a significant proportion of Muslims were doing what you say above, they'd be a hell of a lot more visible.

But some do. Some muslim, including leaders, do.

No atheists, agnostics, not even scientologists and wiccans or uniting church types do. None. Not even a minority. But some muslims do.

Islam has nuffin to do wiv nuffin, Annie.

If the overwhelming majority of Muslims pose no danger to our society, then the default attitude of people dealing with individual Muslims should reflect that.

No no, the attitude of people should reflect what Abu didn’t say.

Get with the program, Annie.

Haven’t you heard we’re at war?

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