See Gandalf, that is why I advise you to use quotes, because this is what happens when you put it into your own words:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:


We are still waiting to figure out how someone could be so out of touch.

Can you explain that claim Gandalf? Do you still stand by it? Do you understand why it is so out of touch? We would like to know.

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 10:19am:


Feel free to peruse the two posts in which I already explained this in detail - both in this very thread.

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 10:40am:


No FD - I totally can *NOT* explain why a scientifically conducted poll at a respected university using a representative sample of thousands of people would be different to FD asking 5 people on ozpolitic. Its a complete mystery 

don't worry FD - rest assured it was totally comparable to you asking 5 people on ozpolitic

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 11:07am:


The readers and contributors to this forum are hardly representative of the broader Australian community FD.  To even suggest it is disingenuous.   Something I have seen you've very good with.  I'm surprised you've not quoted Abu to back your claims about what Australians believe on Free Speech...   

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 11:07am:





freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 11:07am:


Of course FD - its very possible - 20 people asked by FD, or 2100 people asked by experts in their field in a peer reviewed paper.

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 11:07am:


The point is made very badly I'm sorry to say. You can't just say "you are wrong because the survey sux" without giving any good reasons why it sux, and no, simply saying it is "flawed" and "reinterpreted beyond recognition" without any explanation is not a good reason.

In fact it was never my intention to "prove" that this is how mainstream Australians are. I was genuinely hoping it would provide an avenue for you to properly justify your claims about muslims. Once again we get back to the same old point I've been labouring since the beginning - you have absolutely no justification for saying mainstream Australian muslims are any less "freedom loving" than mainstream Australians. This survey merely serves to get the conversation out of first gear by introducing the available evidence. But you don't move with the conversation - you merely stay with the same flawed and irrelevant arguments:

- there are extremists muslims - here I can show you!!,
- Gandalf betrays the muslim mind with his own words,
- look! Annie agrees with me!!

Here was an opportunity for you to join the "evidenced based" phase of the conversation. You refuse - you flail about ranting about how the survey is "flawed" and "reinterpeted beyond recognition" without giving any justification whatsoever. And then, finally, FD seems to want to move with the times - and brings up... wait for it... an ozpolitic poll of 20 ozpolitic members.