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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #450 - Nov 14^th, 2014 at 9:53pm Well some muslims are against free speech, hell they lobbied the UN to outlaw blasphemy. Bit of an inconvenient truth.
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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #451 - Nov 14^th, 2014 at 9:57pm And of course there is self censorship, you know, cos of muslims killing those that offend the religion of peace. Burn a koran and burn a bible. Compare the body count.
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Reply #452 - Nov 14^th, 2014 at 10:05pm

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Criticism and mockery have been banned plenty of times in the past. You merely have to chop the head off people who criticise or mock. What is ridiculous is saying that this is what the vast majority of Australians want, or that it somehow depends on how you phrase the question.

You know the answer Karnal. You just can't bring yourself to give a straight answer.

Sounds like you object to my Freeeedom to tell you what I think, FD.

What percentage of Australians do you think agree with this stance?

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Reply #453 - Nov 14^th, 2014 at 11:23pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Sounds like you object to my Freeeedom to tell you what I think, FD.

Please Karnal, you're distracting FD - please give him the space he needs to miss the point once again and ask me for the 20th time if I stand by that claim of mine.

And then he's going to ask you - and anyone else who gets in his way.

And then he'll ask me some inane rhetorical question about whether I've found anyone who agrees with me. If we're lucky he may misquote Annie again.

He's on a roll here you know.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #454 - Nov 14^th, 2014 at 11:36pm

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Criticism and mockery have been banned plenty of times in the past. You merely have to chop the head off people who criticise or mock.

Absolutely FD - and we all know who does that don't we? We all know whose just itching to do it again don't we? And our freeeedom loving nation is definitely nothing like that.

I mean we wouldn't tolerate hearing our own Attorney General boasting that having an opinion on history would remain unlawful would we? There would be outrage - the streets would be filled with protests, and the AG would be forced to stand down.

Wouldn't he?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95957 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #455 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 12:37am Yes, G, but I think FD’s saying the anti-Freeedom majority merely want to chop people’s heads off. Unlike the anti-Freeeedom majority who merely want to ban them, kill them, bomb them, nuke them. Everybody’s anti-Freeeeedom here, except FD. He just wants to tell you what to say.
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Reply #456 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 7:42am

Karnal wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Criticism and mockery have been banned plenty of times in the past. You merely have to chop the head off people who criticise or mock. What is ridiculous is saying that this is what the vast majority of Australians want, or that it somehow depends on how you phrase the question.

You know the answer Karnal. You just can't bring yourself to give a straight answer.

Sounds like you object to my Freeeedom to tell you what I think, FD.

What percentage of Australians do you think agree with this stance?

I'd guess the figure would be similar to our percentage Muslim population.

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And then he'll ask me some inane rhetorical question about whether I've found anyone who agrees with me. If we're lucky he may misquote Annie again.

It is not a rhetorical question Gandalf. You asked me to explain why you are wrong. That is the best way I can think of. You claim the vast majority of Australians want to ban criticism or mockery of religion. Yet you cannot find a single one who agrees with you. From there, you really should be able to figure it out for yourself. It really is that simple.

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Reply #457 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:19am

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 7:42am:

It is not a rhetorical question Gandalf. You asked me to explain why you are wrong.

Actually I asked you to explain your claim that mainstream Australian muslims are more against freedom than non-muslims - an explanation that is a little more than "because of what Gandalf says", demanding I find the evidence for you, or demented rhetorical questions about who agrees with me.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49096 At my desk.	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #458 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:22am This will go a long way to explaining that also Gandalf. I obviously don't expect to have much luck explaining anything else to you while you still believe that the vast majority of Australians want the government to ban criticism or mockery of religion. Hence my unwillingness to simply 'move on' as you demand.
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Reply #459 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:31am

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

I obviously don't expect to have much luck explaining anything else to you while you still believe that the vast majority of Australians want the government to ban criticism or mockery of religion.

Obviously. I think most people here are aware of your tedious skills of obfuscation and deflection.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #460 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 9:24am

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

This will go a long way to explaining that also Gandalf. I obviously don't expect to have much luck explaining anything else to you while you still believe that the vast majority of Australians want the government to ban criticism or mockery of religion. Hence my unwillingness to simply 'move on' as you demand.

That’s the worst form of anti-Freeeeedom, FD. That’s self censorship. I can see you’re scared of the Muselmen too.

Don’t be. We do have laws in this country. You’re still free to tell G the source of your statistics and not get beheaded.

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Reply #461 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 9:28am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

I obviously don't expect to have much luck explaining anything else to you while you still believe that the vast majority of Australians want the government to ban criticism or mockery of religion.

Obviously. I think most people here are aware of your tedious skills of obfuscation and deflection.

Now now, G, FD’s just concerned about a potential charge of blasphemy. You can’t blame him for that.

Also, you weren’t agreeing with him. Why should he provide you with his proof?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #462 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 12:22pm
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95957 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #463 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 12:26pm Food for thought, old boy.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #464 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 9:12pm Off-Topic replies have been moved to this Topic.
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Question: most effective attacks on our freedom of speech?
Muslims preventing people from mocking Muhammed 11 (55.0%) Journalists not reporting some ASIO intel ops 4 (20.0%) Something else 5 (25.0%) Total votes: 20 « Created by: freediver on: Oct 9^th, 2014 at 12:43pm »