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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95949 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #465 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 8:56pm There you go again, Gandalf. And again. Ever get the feeling we’ve done this before?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #466 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 9:05pm freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 8:43pm: From the racism thread Well here's a radical idea - keep it in the f_ucking racism thread. Moved.
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Reply #467 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:02pm

It's got nothing to do with the racism thread. It was a continuation of this debate. You used to get upset about people changing the topic. Now you get upset about people trying to keep threads on topic.

Basically, you are trying to avoid talking about your claim that it always has been and always will be about race and white privilege, rather than genuine distaste for Islamic doctrine.

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Reply #468 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:02pm

freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

It's got nothing to do with the racism thread. It was a continuation of this debate. You used to get upset about people changing the topic. Now you get upset about people trying to keep threads on topic.

Basically, you are trying to avoid talking about your claim that it always has been and always will be about race and white privilege.

Sorry, FD, wasn’t that your claim?

I’m confused.

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Reply #469 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 9:44am

freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

It's got nothing to do with the racism thread. I

Ah, so let me get this straight - after *YOU* bring up this as somehow being about race, when no one else had mentioned it, and refusing to explain why you brought up race, you suddenly don't think it has anything to do with race now?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #470 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 10:29am

freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

You used to get upset about people changing the topic. Now you get upset about people trying to keep threads on topic.

I get more upset about having multiple threads referencing the same discussion - such that when someone wants to reference that one discussion he has to negotiate through 15 separate threads. If you can learn to start threads a little more constructively - and not just do a massive quote dump with no scope for any constructive discussion that would be a great help.

I have explained all this to you before.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #471 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 12:45pm

There is one thread about your claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race.

There is one thread about your claim that the vast majority of Australians want to ban mockery and criticism of religion. With this one, I gave you ample opportunity to take the claim back before starting a new thread on it.

Both of these claims were absurd enough, and generate enough interest to justify their own threads. They shed a lot of light on the more ambiguous PR and platitudes you constantly spin. If you don't like threads about the stupid things you say, stop saying stupid things.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95949 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #472 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:06pm freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 12:45pm: If you don't like threads about the stupid things you say, stop saying stupid things. Here, FD wants to silence those who say stupid things. FD, you see, believes in Freeeeedom. And I, for one, would fight to the death for FD's right to shut them all up.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #473 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:08pm FD seems to think he can be the first to turn a topic into an issue of race, but somehow not be the one responsible for making the topic an issue about race.
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Reply #474 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

FD seems to think he can be the first to turn a topic into an issue of race, but somehow not be the one responsible for making the topic an issue about race.

But of course. It's your fault.

FD, you see, blames Islam:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Meanwhile, the good Muslims are on here explaining why they cannot tolerate white people having freedom of speech, in case they mock Muhammed.

The "good Muslims". That's you, G.

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Reply #475 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:21pm

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

There is one thread about your claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race.

Yes, that would be when you brought up race when no one else had, and me pointing out that islamophobia always has and always will be about race - because islamophobes continually keep bringing it up - like you did.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #476 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:21pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

There is one thread about your claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race.

Yes, that would be when you brought up race when no one else had, and me pointing out that islamophobia always has and always will be about race - because islamophobes continually keep bringing it up - like you did.

Well, there you go. If you pointed out FD's issues with race, you started it. This sort of Muslim racism should not be tolerated in a civilised white society.

No one has the right not to be offended, you know.

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Reply #477 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:40pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Well, there you go. If you pointed out FD's issues with race, you started it.

And that literally is what FD's whinge amounts to. Its also my fault that after being the first to turn the issue into an issue of race, he then starts a whole new thread whinging about how people make islamophobia an issue about race.

Shaun McCallife couldn't satirise this better.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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DifferentFrequency Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 162 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #478 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 3:38pm Of course they are against free speech, but no less than political-correctionists are... er I mean, christians of course. We are christian? Sorry I get confused when I see my church going life long catholic mother, making offering on Satan's altar. Catholics are the ones that support abortion, right?
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95949 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #479 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 4:02pm That's right, Matty. Your life-long Catholic mother has every right to worship on Satan's alter. I, for one, would fight to the death for her right to do so. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
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Question: most effective attacks on our freedom of speech?
Muslims preventing people from mocking Muhammed 11 (55.0%) Journalists not reporting some ASIO intel ops 4 (20.0%) Something else 5 (25.0%) Total votes: 20 « Created by: freediver on: Oct 9^th, 2014 at 12:43pm »