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Question: most effective attacks on our freedom of speech?

Muslims preventing people from mocking Muhammed    
  11 (55.0%)
Journalists not reporting some ASIO intel ops    
  4 (20.0%)
Something else    
  5 (25.0%)




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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #525 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:00am
 
Panther wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:01am:
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 10:04pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
Islamophobia always has and always will be about "race"

White muslims don't get picked on - unless they have highly visible "racial" markers (hijab, muslim robe etc).


A religious robe is now a racial marker?


It's called "Race Baiting".

Any excuse which allows them to reverse the tables on any authority,
becomes an opportunity to use a "Race Card".

Once they use a "Race Card", they feel completely impervious to societies authority, & to law & order.

They feel that they can get any preferable treatment they demand, because it's a power we, society, have errantly granted them. 

Granted them nevertheless because of societies utter fear & horror at merely being called "Racist", even though the tag is totally false.

Another synonym(s) used by Muslims who wish to also effectuate undeserved favorable treatment is "Islamophobe", or "Islamophobia", which is the Muslim equivalent of a "Race Card" to be used to attain unfair & undeserved advantage in the exact same way.



RACE
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A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.




Islam is not a "Race", it's merely an ideology, an "intolerant, totalitarian, political, and religious ideology”

Being a Muslim does not permit one to define themselves as part of a "Race", in & of itself.

Being a Muslim is merely a tag used by those who simply wish to be known as 'followers' of a person called Mohammad.








I'm sorry, please forgive me for omitting the central reason why Muslims insist on using the "Race Card", call us (all Non-Muslims/Infidels/Kafir)  "Racists", "Islamophobes" or "Islamophobic".

It's because they are totally & absolutely against 'our use' of the "Freedom of Speech".

They want to end all information, debate, & discussion, that they don't initiate, relating to who & what they are, & to who & what they do &/or want to do........period.

Unfortunately to date, the bulk of society for the most part complies with & accepts their intolerant demands for obedient silence on these issues.

Fortunately, these cunning Muslims are beginning (slowly but surely) to be caught out in their deceptive maneuvers, & society, previously gulled, is starting to wake up to Islamic perversions of reality.


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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #526 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:49am
 
This was copied and pasted from a Sydney Muslim primary school web site and you can see that Number 6 is inconclusive as a tool for the pupils to learn just what they're supposed to believe in, "Justice" or "Liberty" (freedom). Is it being left up to the pupil to decide which one they'll live by ? Both Justice and Liberty sound honourable but what do they mean to a Muslim ? ... and why not live by both ? Perhaps one of our Muslim posters can explain why Muslim scholars are deliberately perplexing the minds of pupils with this Number 6 when Number 4 core is the preservation of the Mind. You can't really preserve the mind too well if you can't decide what you're going to live by

Then again, it depends on the Muslim interpretation of "Justice" and "Liberty". It's still open to debate within the Muslim community apparently. Shake a leg Muslims, which is it going to be, Justice or Liberty or both ... and will they be unreservedly compatible with Australia's interpretations, laws and values ?


Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
•      Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)


Core of Islamic Law or Shariah
The core of Islamic Law is preservation of:
1)    Religion
2)    Life
3)    Family
4)    Mind
5)    Wealth
6)    Some contemporary scholars suggest either justice or liberty to be the sixth category.
In the vision of Islam, they are known as "essentials" because they are considered essential to human welfare.
In conclude, if someone were to ask, what is the core of Islam in the fewest possible words, the answer would be, "it is within the word Islam itself: to serve, worship, and lovingly submit to God."

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Reply #527 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:31am
 
So Australian school kids are being taught that the first core of law is protection of religion. From what? Gandalf should fend this.
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No takers yet ! .... still waiting
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Reply #529 - Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:14pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:49am:
This was copied and pasted from a Sydney Muslim primary school web site


Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"?  Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #530 - Jan 21st, 2015 at 4:57pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:14pm:
Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"?  Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.




http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html

This site here but alas the Core of Islamic Law bit is not there anymore. Could be because the site is still under construction, lots of their features say "Under Construction". ... but it is in the site below... and it's exactly the same except for this: "Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
•      Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)"


It looks like that school copied and pasted and added it as their Educational Philosophy


http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/ (scroll a little more than half way down)
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #531 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:13am
 
And on it goes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2918388/Five-Chechens-suspected-planning-terror-attack-arrested-France-day-800-000-Muslims-marched-Chechnya-praising-Charlie-Hebdo-killers.html

Five Chechens arrested in France and ‘dangerous explosives’ recovered a day after 800,000 Muslims marched through Chechnya praising Charlie Hebdo killers

    Five Chechens in possession of explosives have been arrested in France
    Arrests follow widespread protests throughout Grozny yesterday
    Locals are angry at Charlie Hebdo's caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed
    The five people have been arrested on suspicion of plotting an attack

Protesters marched through the streets of downtown Grozny, releasing balloons and carrying posters that read 'Hands off our beloved prophet' and 'Europe has only united us'.

Russia, which has a large and restive Muslim population and waged two devastating wars against Chechnya in the 1990s, offered its condolences to France after the attack but has warned local publications against reprinting the Charlie Hebdo cartoons that featured the Prophet Mohammed.

According to Russian news agencies, 15,000 people joined a similar demonstration in the neighbouring region of Ingushetia on Saturday.

A Bulgarian court has agreed to extradite a French national with alleged links to the terrorists who carried out the attack against the Charlie Hebdo newspaper.

Protesters yesterday also gathered in the main market square in Bannu, Pakistan, chanting 'Death to the government of France', before setting fire to dozens of French flags and an effigy of the former French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

As the anger mounted, some demonstrators even set fire to an inverted Italian flag, which they mistakenly thought belonged to France.

A second effigy destroyed in the protest was said to represent the editor of the Charlie Hebdo, the magazine which was subject to a brutal attack earlier this month, after two masked jihadist gunmen stormed the Paris headquarters and killed 12 people.

The dramatic scenes came as more than 2,000 Iranians protested outside the French embassy in Tehran, shouting 'Death to French' and urging the ambassador to be expelled.

Meanwhile, in Tehran, a protest - which was organised by students but attended by all age groups - was given a heavy security detail of around 150 Iranian police, and although noisy it passed off peacefully after two hours.

One speaker said the demonstration was to 'condemn the insult of Charlie Hebdo,' but also to denounce that 'the embassy forces women to remove their veils to get a visa'.

As in customary in Iran, men and women were segregated at the protest.

Demand to read Charlie Hebdo forced the distributors to lift the print run of the 'survivors' edition' of the magazine to an unprecedented seven million copies - 120 times its normal 60,000 circulation.

Police in Niger fired teargas on Saturday at hundreds of rock-throwing protesters in a second day of clashes over Charlie Hebdo's publication of the image.

France's embassy in Niamey advised its citizens against going out in the streets and urged caution due to the demonstrations.

Five people were killed on Friday in the Zinder, the second city of the former French colony, while churches were burned and Christian homes looted. The death toll was revised up after a burned body was discovered in a Catholic Church.

Forty-five churches in total were torched over the weekend in Niger's capital.
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #532 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 11:36am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:31am:
So Australian school kids are being taught that the first core of law is protection of religion. From what? Gandalf should fend this.


Gandy reminds me of Norman.....he needs to coordinate, communicate with his central being.....



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Reply #533 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 12:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:13am:
And on it goes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2918388/Five-Chechens-suspected-planning-terror-attack-arrested-France-day-800-000-Muslims-marched-Chechnya-praising-Charlie-Hebdo-killers.html

Five Chechens arrested in France and ‘dangerous explosives’ recovered a day after 800,000 Muslims marched through Chechnya praising Charlie Hebdo killers

    Five Chechens in possession of explosives have been arrested in France
    Arrests follow widespread protests throughout Grozny yesterday
    Locals are angry at Charlie Hebdo's caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed
    The five people have been arrested on suspicion of plotting an attack

Protesters marched through the streets of downtown Grozny, releasing balloons and carrying posters that read 'Hands off our beloved prophet' and 'Europe has only united us'.

Russia, which has a large and restive Muslim population and waged two devastating wars against Chechnya in the 1990s, offered its condolences to France after the attack but has warned local publications against reprinting the Charlie Hebdo cartoons that featured the Prophet Mohammed.

According to Russian news agencies, 15,000 people joined a similar demonstration in the neighbouring region of Ingushetia on Saturday.

A Bulgarian court has agreed to extradite a French national with alleged links to the terrorists who carried out the attack against the Charlie Hebdo newspaper.

Protesters yesterday also gathered in the main market square in Bannu, Pakistan, chanting 'Death to the government of France', before setting fire to dozens of French flags and an effigy of the former French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

As the anger mounted, some demonstrators even set fire to an inverted Italian flag, which they mistakenly thought belonged to France.

A second effigy destroyed in the protest was said to represent the editor of the Charlie Hebdo, the magazine which was subject to a brutal attack earlier this month, after two masked jihadist gunmen stormed the Paris headquarters and killed 12 people.

The dramatic scenes came as more than 2,000 Iranians protested outside the French embassy in Tehran, shouting 'Death to French' and urging the ambassador to be expelled.

Meanwhile, in Tehran, a protest - which was organised by students but attended by all age groups - was given a heavy security detail of around 150 Iranian police, and although noisy it passed off peacefully after two hours.

One speaker said the demonstration was to 'condemn the insult of Charlie Hebdo,' but also to denounce that 'the embassy forces women to remove their veils to get a visa'.

As in customary in Iran, men and women were segregated at the protest.

Demand to read Charlie Hebdo forced the distributors to lift the print run of the 'survivors' edition' of the magazine to an unprecedented seven million copies - 120 times its normal 60,000 circulation.

Police in Niger fired teargas on Saturday at hundreds of rock-throwing protesters in a second day of clashes over Charlie Hebdo's publication of the image.

France's embassy in Niamey advised its citizens against going out in the streets and urged caution due to the demonstrations.

Five people were killed on Friday in the Zinder, the second city of the former French colony, while churches were burned and Christian homes looted. The death toll was revised up after a burned body was discovered in a Catholic Church.

Forty-five churches in total were torched over the weekend in Niger's capital.

Nuffin' to do wiv Islam. Islam is absolutely compatible wiv Western liberal democracy and anyone who says otherwise is an islamophobe and will be killed.
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Reply #534 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 2:48pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 4:57pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:14pm:
Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"?  Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.


http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html

This site here but alas the Core of Islamic Law bit is not there anymore. Could be because the site is still under construction, lots of their features say "Under Construction". ... but it is in the site below... and it's exactly the same except for this: "Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
•      Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)"


It looks like that school copied and pasted and added it as their Educational Philosophy


http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/ (scroll a little more than half way down)


So, in otherwords what you claimed the website said, it no longer says.  Funny that.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #535 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 2:53pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 12:56pm:
Nuffin' to do wiv Islam. Islam is absolutely compatible wiv Western liberal democracy and anyone who says otherwise is an islamophobe and will be killed.


You know something Soren?  I'm not sure if Islam is against free speech but I do know you are!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #536 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 6:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:31am:
So Australian school kids are being taught that the first core of law is protection of religion. From what? Gandalf should fend this.


Sounds terribly sinister.

I can't keep up FD - are we outraged that muslim education funds are being ripped out by terrorist supporters this week - or are we condemning it for its sinister education principles?
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #537 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 7:24pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 4:57pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:14pm:
Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"?  Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.




http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html

This site here but alas the Core of Islamic Law bit is not there anymore. Could be because the site is still under construction, lots of their features say "Under Construction". ... but it is in the site below... and it's exactly the same except for this: "Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
•      Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)"


It looks like that school copied and pasted and added it as their Educational Philosophy


http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/ (scroll a little more than half way down)


Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

I see little difference in intent between what you claimed it said and what many Christian schools state on their websites as their "core beliefs" are.  Invariably they place belief in religion above all other matters.   Should they be condemned for doing so?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #538 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 7:30pm
 
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Educational Philosophy
Our educational philosophy is vastly based upon the following inherited belief derived from Quran and Sunnah which is also followed by the great people of human history.

“Read, with the name of GOD, who created you” (Al-Quran)
“Seek Knowledge from the cradles to the graves” Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)
“He, who opens a school door, closes a prison” (Victor Hugo)
“What we want is to see the child in pursuant of knowledge and not the knowledge in pursuant of the Child” (George Bernard Shaw)
“Education is transmission of Civilizations” (Will Durent)
“Who dares to teach must never cease to learn” (John Cotton Dana)


so sinister - I can't believe how sinister it is, can you?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #539 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 9:50pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 4:57pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:14pm:
Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"?  Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.




http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html

This site here but alas the Core of Islamic Law bit is not there anymore. Could be because the site is still under construction, lots of their features say "Under Construction". ... but it is in the site below... and it's exactly the same except for this: "Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
•      Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)"


It looks like that school copied and pasted and added it as their Educational Philosophy


http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/ (scroll a little more than half way down)


Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

I see little difference in intent between what you claimed it said and what many Christian schools state on their websites as their "core beliefs" are.  Invariably they place belief in religion above all other matters.   Should they be condemned for doing so?   Roll Eyes

Islam is contrary to every single Western value. It is a backward step in every way. I don't think Western schools should encourage or tolerate such regression.
Islam has made not one single improvement in the world. That's the gist of the objection to it in this case and in every other.
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