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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #540 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:55pm

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 4:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"? Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.

http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html

This site here but alas the Core of Islamic Law bit is not there anymore. Could be because the site is still under construction, lots of their features say "Under Construction". ... but it is in the site below... and it's exactly the same except for this: "Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
• Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)"

It looks like that school copied and pasted and added it as their Educational Philosophy

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/ (scroll a little more than half way down)

Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

I see little difference in intent between what you claimed it said and what many Christian schools state on their websites as their "core beliefs" are. Invariably they place belief in religion above all other matters. Should they be condemned for doing so? Roll Eyes

Islam is contrary to every single Western value. It is a backward step in every way. I don't think Western schools should encourage or tolerate such regression.
Islam has made not one single improvement in the world. That's the gist of the objection to it in this case and in every other.

Keep repeating it, Soren. I'm sure there is someone out there who will believe this mantra. Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #541 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:55pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 4:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"? Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.

http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html

This site here but alas the Core of Islamic Law bit is not there anymore. Could be because the site is still under construction, lots of their features say "Under Construction". ... but it is in the site below... and it's exactly the same except for this: "Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
• Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)"

It looks like that school copied and pasted and added it as their Educational Philosophy

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/ (scroll a little more than half way down)

Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

I see little difference in intent between what you claimed it said and what many Christian schools state on their websites as their "core beliefs" are. Invariably they place belief in religion above all other matters. Should they be condemned for doing so? Roll Eyes

Islam is contrary to every single Western value. It is a backward step in every way. I don't think Western schools should encourage or tolerate such regression.
Islam has made not one single improvement in the world. That's the gist of the objection to it in this case and in every other.

Keep repeating it, Soren. I'm sure there is someone out there who will believe this mantra. Roll Eyes

That’s post 1. Always absolutely never ever. It’s a real beard-stroker.

The old boy’s posts are templates, like Ikea instructions.

The parts never change.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #542 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

This ...

6) Some contemporary scholars suggest either justice or liberty to be the sixth category.

It seems they can't make up their mind which it's going to be. So from a young age, muslims don't know if they've got freedom of speech or not and thinking that discretion is the better part of valor in fear of being chastised by their muftis

We know what their justice is though, but perhaps Gandalf and Mr Ross could straighten everything out for us

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #543 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:18am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:55pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 4:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"? Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.

http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html

This site here but alas the Core of Islamic Law bit is not there anymore. Could be because the site is still under construction, lots of their features say "Under Construction". ... but it is in the site below... and it's exactly the same except for this: "Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
• Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)"

It looks like that school copied and pasted and added it as their Educational Philosophy

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/ (scroll a little more than half way down)

Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

I see little difference in intent between what you claimed it said and what many Christian schools state on their websites as their "core beliefs" are. Invariably they place belief in religion above all other matters. Should they be condemned for doing so? Roll Eyes

Islam is contrary to every single Western value. It is a backward step in every way. I don't think Western schools should encourage or tolerate such regression.
Islam has made not one single improvement in the world. That's the gist of the objection to it in this case and in every other.

Keep repeating it, Soren. I'm sure there is someone out there who will believe this mantra. Roll Eyes

The truth is worth repeating. Islam is totally incompatible with western secular democracy. It is a simple irrefutable fact, Brain. There cannot be sharia and secular democracy at the same place and same time. Impossible.

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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11510 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #544 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 3:29pm Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:18am: The truth is worth repeating. Islam is totally incompatible with western secular democracy. It is a simple irrefutable fact, Brain. There cannot be sharia and secular democracy at the same place and same time. Impossible.
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #545 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:11pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

This ...

6) Some contemporary scholars suggest either justice or liberty to be the sixth category.

It seems they can't make up their mind which it's going to be. So from a young age, muslims don't know if they've got freedom of speech or not and thinking that discretion is the better part of valor in fear of being chastised by their muftis

We know what their justice is though, but perhaps Gandalf and Mr Ross could straighten everything out for us

So, your primary criticism is that they're honest and are unsure about an issue, rather than make a definitive answer to satisfy you? Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #546 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:13pm

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:18am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:55pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 4:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"? Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.

http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html

This site here but alas the Core of Islamic Law bit is not there anymore. Could be because the site is still under construction, lots of their features say "Under Construction". ... but it is in the site below... and it's exactly the same except for this: "Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
• Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)"

It looks like that school copied and pasted and added it as their Educational Philosophy

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/ (scroll a little more than half way down)

Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

I see little difference in intent between what you claimed it said and what many Christian schools state on their websites as their "core beliefs" are. Invariably they place belief in religion above all other matters. Should they be condemned for doing so? Roll Eyes

Islam is contrary to every single Western value. It is a backward step in every way. I don't think Western schools should encourage or tolerate such regression.
Islam has made not one single improvement in the world. That's the gist of the objection to it in this case and in every other.

Keep repeating it, Soren. I'm sure there is someone out there who will believe this mantra. Roll Eyes

The truth is worth repeating. Islam is totally incompatible with western secular democracy. It is a simple irrefutable fact, Brain. There cannot be sharia and secular democracy at the same place and same time. Impossible.

I thought only the Pope was infallible, Soren. Appears you're a new contender on the block. Frank had better watch out for his crown!

Muslims appear able to reconcile the needs of Sh'ria and secularism in most nations, Soren. Why is this a problem for you? Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #547 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:14pm

Panther wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 3:29pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:18am:

The truth is worth repeating. Islam is totally incompatible with western secular democracy. It is a simple irrefutable fact, Brain. There cannot be sharia and secular democracy at the same place and same time. Impossible.

http://i.imgur.com/IAMjnkA.png

See, Soren? I said if you repeated it often enough, someone would eventually believe you. Roll Eyes

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #548 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 12:28am Yes, and the old boy’s been waiting for 13 years for that x 2. Looks like all those posts were worth it.
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #549 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 7:59am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

This ...

6) Some contemporary scholars suggest either justice or liberty to be the sixth category.

It seems they can't make up their mind which it's going to be. So from a young age, muslims don't know if they've got freedom of speech or not and thinking that discretion is the better part of valor in fear of being chastised by their muftis

We know what their justice is though, but perhaps Gandalf and Mr Ross could straighten everything out for us

So, your primary criticism is that they're honest and are unsure about an issue, rather than make a definitive answer to satisfy you? Roll Eyes

Being unsure whether justice and liberty are at the core of law is hardly a trivial detail.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #550 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 8:13am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:13pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:18am:

The truth is worth repeating.

Islam is totally incompatible with western secular democracy.

It is a simple irrefutable fact, Brain.

There cannot be sharia and secular democracy at the same place and same time.

Impossible.

Muslims appear able to reconcile the needs of Sh'ria and secularism in most nations, Soren.

Really ?

And there is the example of gandalf, the secularist, here in Australia.....

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 17^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Sorry, I must be still missing it. I'll just clarify my position (again), and hopefully it will answer whatever you want answered:
- I support secularism
- I support democracy
- I oppose dictatorships

Opposing dictatorships means all dictatorships - whether they be secular or religious. Saying I support secularism doesn't mean I support secular dictators - Clear?

'Islamic secularism' ???

Is that what gandalf endorses, and supports ?

And it is all sincere, isn't it !!!

e.g.
Because we only have to look at how those who are often 'secular moslems' [in public], living here in Australia, behave, whenever they are behind closed doors....

EXAMPLE #1;

Watch a group of wanna-be murderous little moslem darlings 'performing', in this YT, HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA.

Being coached by moslem adults, HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA.....

Muslims brainwash children in Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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We only have to look at how moslems, living here in Australia [who will often claim they support secularism, while speaking publicly in English] behave, whenever they are speaking to fellow moslems, in Arabic....

EXAMPLE #2;

Quote:

"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day.

MAKE NO MISTAKE: THE NATION HAS NOT CHANGED ITS THINKING, ITS RELIGION, OR ITS FAITH. [i.e. a moslem, IS, a moslem!!!]

IT HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A NATION OF JIHAD UNTIL JUDGEMENT DAY."

Australian Islamist Leaders Incite to Jihad to Expel Jews from Palestine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw

This 'secular moslem' [above] living in Australia, is Ismail Alwahwah.

This is the moslem who is living in Australia, who has stated that the example, of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks in Paris, are the way to 'cure' the 'disrespect' shown to moslems, by disbelievers.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421022403/33#33

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And, compare gandalfs purported views [as a moslem!!, on secularism].....with the opinion of secularism, which was declared by a very prominent moslem [on the 'world stage'], Recep Tayyip Erdogan, current President of Turkey, ;

Quote:

May 23, 2007
Turkish PM Erdogan in Speech During Term As Istanbul Mayor Attacks Turkey's Constitution, Describing it As 'A Huge Lie':

'Sovereignty Belongs Unconditionally and Always To Allah';

'One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular'

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD159607

Quote:

Pluralism in Turkey: A Fairy Tale :: Bekdil at Gatestone
December 2, 2014

http://www.meforum.org/4904/pluralism-in-turkey-a-fairy-tale

worth a read.

COMMENT;
Secular Turkey moslem majority Turkey, under the 'guiding hand' and influence of ISLAMIST Erdogan, is slowly, inexorably, abandoning pluralism and democracy, .....for the political corruption and the political intolerance of an ISLAMIST state [...the, ISLAMIC STATE? Yes.].

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #551 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:32am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:13pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:18am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:55pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 4:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Which "Sydney Muslim primary school web site"? Please provide a link so we can check for ourselves what it says, as against what you claim it says.

http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html

This site here but alas the Core of Islamic Law bit is not there anymore. Could be because the site is still under construction, lots of their features say "Under Construction". ... but it is in the site below... and it's exactly the same except for this: "Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
• Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)"

It looks like that school copied and pasted and added it as their Educational Philosophy

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/ (scroll a little more than half way down)

Exactly what is your problem with this, may I ask?

I see little difference in intent between what you claimed it said and what many Christian schools state on their websites as their "core beliefs" are. Invariably they place belief in religion above all other matters. Should they be condemned for doing so? Roll Eyes

Islam is contrary to every single Western value. It is a backward step in every way. I don't think Western schools should encourage or tolerate such regression.
Islam has made not one single improvement in the world. That's the gist of the objection to it in this case and in every other.

Keep repeating it, Soren. I'm sure there is someone out there who will believe this mantra. Roll Eyes

The truth is worth repeating. Islam is totally incompatible with western secular democracy. It is a simple irrefutable fact, Brain. There cannot be sharia and secular democracy at the same place and same time. Impossible.

I thought only the Pope was infallible, Soren. Appears you're a new contender on the block. Frank had better watch out for his crown!

Muslims appear able to reconcile the needs of Sh'ria and secularism in most nations, Soren. Why is this a problem for you? Roll Eyes

Secular sharia, Brain? Really?
Do explain how you and Muslims supposedly reconcile these opposing ideas.
Secular means unconnected to religion. Sharia means Islamic path, rules and laws based on the religion of Mohammed.
This 'reconciliation' will show us one of the principal cognitive dissonances of people like you, Brain. I am looking forward to it.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #552 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:59am

Soren wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:32am: