Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:55pm:


That’s post 1. Always absolutely never ever. It’s a real beard-stroker.

The old boy’s posts are templates, like Ikea instructions.

The parts never change.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:55pm:

The truth is worth repeating. Islam is totally incompatible with western secular democracy. It is a simple irrefutable fact, Brain. There cannot be sharia and secular democracy at the same place and same time. Impossible.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:37pm:


So, your primary criticism is that they're honest and are unsure about an issue, rather than make a definitive answer to satisfy you?   

Panther wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 3:29pm:


See, Soren?  I said if you repeated it often enough, someone would eventually believe you.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:11pm:


Being unsure whether justice and liberty are at the core of law is hardly a trivial detail.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:13pm:

Secular sharia, Brain? Really?
Do explain how you and Muslims supposedly reconcile these opposing ideas.
Secular means unconnected to religion. Sharia means Islamic path, rules and laws based on the religion of Mohammed.
This 'reconciliation' will show us one of the principal cognitive dissonances of people like you, Brain. I am looking forward to it.

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 7:59am:



That's correct freediver, my thoughts exactly and the reason why I raised my concern about that Number 6 preservation

So far I've found nothing definitive on the net about Islamic justice and liberty regarding No 6, but I'm still searching. One site compared Islamic freedom to the Founding Fathers Declaration of Independence no less

I think we can discount Mr Ross as a knowledgable poster on this subject, can't see anything constructive in his posts on the subject to date.

Silence from Gandalf also is of no assistance and probably means he's restricted on what he can say about Islam ... discretion is the better part of valor perhaps on his part I presume

It's shaping up that freedom of speech may indeed be a no no within Islam until the scholars say otherwise. In the meantime, while we're waiting for them to make up their minds whether it's going to be justice or liberty for No 6, we'll just have to judge for ourselves by observing what Muslims do and say, revealing their true intentions, peaceful or belligerent in Australia

We know of course that free speech is allowable for a Muslim if what they say is pro Islam, but even then, how much can a Muslim Joe in the street really say before a mufti steps in and says: "Hey that's my job, you're at risk of blaspheming, now shut your mouth"

Taking this pro Islam free speech a bit further, it also seems ok if a Muslim denigrates non Muslims, like the "Uncovered meat" comment. Prudently, this sort of belligerent talk is being stamped out by public humiliation of the offenders and as a consequence alleviating the Muslim imposed justice that can follow such defamatory comments preached in mosques, justice such as the molesting of young women on beaches

The sooner Islam in Australia clearly defines "Justice" and "Liberty" and what they really mean to Muslims living in Australia, the better. We are still seeing, today, that young Muslims are shunning the Australian way of life to fight for "their' justice overseas and if they are so determined, then it's reasonable to assume that once back in Australia, would their thoughts about justice suddenly switch back to our rule of Australian law justice? Arresting them at the airport I don't think will change anything in their minds