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Question: most effective attacks on our freedom of speech?

Muslims preventing people from mocking Muhammed    
  11 (55.0%)
Journalists not reporting some ASIO intel ops    
  4 (20.0%)
Something else    
  5 (25.0%)




Total votes: 20
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #705 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:23am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 12:16am:
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:02am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 9:58pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 9:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 7:34pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 6:16pm:
The facts are as plain as a road sign: the French journalists were murdered for exercising free speech.


Sorry, Soren, they were murdered for offending some tight-arsed Muslims who didn't see the joke, not because they were exercising Freedom of Speech...   Roll Eyes

No, they were murdered because the honour of Mohammed counts far more for a Muslim than freedom of speech, even when he is a French-born, French-speaking Muslims.

And of course thousands of Muslims demonstration across the world AGAINST Charlie after the Muslims massacred them, including here in Australia.

I am not aware of am organised Muslim demonstration in defence of freedom of speech. Some Muslims may have turned up in various Western demos but there has not been a Muslim demonstration for Charlie and against the killers. Show me if I am mistaken.


Thousands as against billions of Muslims who didn't give a rat's arse about what some Frenchmen decided to publish.  As always, Soren you play the wrong end of the stick.   Roll Eyes



And they don't give a rat's arse about the murderous mayhem carried out in the name of Islam. But they want us to respect them and their religion when they don't care about what sh!t it is dragged through by their own co-religionists.

I am not buying that, Brain.


You never do, Soren.  You never do.

You have no evidence what billions of Muslims care about, one way or the t'other today.    Roll Eyes



Nor you.

SO we are all judging them by their actions and by the fruits of their actions.
And I'm afraid it's a Fail.





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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #706 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 10:29am
 
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 12:52am:
Yes we have the quran to show us as evidence what billions of Muslims care about. I would imagine most reasonable people who are forced to be muslim would leave islam in a flash if the threats were not hanging over their heads.


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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #707 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 1:44pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Nor you.

SO we are all judging them by their actions and by the fruits of their actions.
And I'm afraid it's a Fail.


According to whom?  You?  Sorry, Soren, we know how biased your viewpoint is!   Roll Eyes
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #708 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 2:15pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Nor you.

SO we are all judging them by their actions and by the fruits of their actions.
And I'm afraid it's a Fail.




Its more than fail the conclusion is a psychotic backward violent group of people locked in the dark ages by a pedophillic warlord who would be laughing in his grave at them if he could see them now. The irony. Then there is the nutters who pretend to be muslims and act as apologists in the hope of garnering a reaction. Silly socks like Hot Ross and Brian Breath for instance who knows nothing about islam at all and only babbles on about it for attention. If the cult of islam was Guatemalan pigmies you can be sure these fools would all of a sudden be Guatemalan pigmies and still have no idea where Guatemala was on the map.

When ignored these fools implode.
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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.
 
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #709 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 2:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Nor you.

SO we are all judging them by their actions and by the fruits of their actions.
And I'm afraid it's a Fail.


According to whom?  You?  Sorry, Soren, we know how biased your viewpoint is!   Roll Eyes

Well, if you are not judging them by their actions and the fruits of their actions, what are you judging them by?
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #710 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 3:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
we know how biased your viewpoint is!


Yes, we do know how violent, sordid, bigoted and biased your viewpoint is.

The question is "how long will YOU stay out of jail" because of them?

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #711 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 4:28pm
 
What's the topic in this thread.

Does anybody actually care, or is this thread, like so many others, just personal mud slinging contests too.?

Sounds like rather than answer to the topic, divert by shouting down the speaker.

And both sides of the supposed 'discussion' are guilty of doing it too.

It's the topic ........ not the personality that's the focus.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #712 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 6:06pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 2:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Nor you.

SO we are all judging them by their actions and by the fruits of their actions.
And I'm afraid it's a Fail.


According to whom?  You?  Sorry, Soren, we know how biased your viewpoint is!   Roll Eyes

Well, if you are not judging them by their actions and the fruits of their actions, what are you judging them by?


By their lack of action?  No, of course not, that wouldn't work, now would it?  Roll Eyes
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #713 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 6:07pm
 
Adamant wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 3:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
we know how biased your viewpoint is!


Yes, we do know how violent, sordid, bigoted and biased your viewpoint is.

The question is "how long will YOU stay out of jail" because of them?



Until I break a law and get caught and convicted?  No, of course not, not in your fantasy...   Roll Eyes
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #714 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 6:06pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 2:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Nor you.

SO we are all judging them by their actions and by the fruits of their actions.
And I'm afraid it's a Fail.


According to whom?  You?  Sorry, Soren, we know how biased your viewpoint is!   Roll Eyes

Well, if you are not judging them by their actions and the fruits of their actions, what are you judging them by?


By their lack of action?  No, of course not, that wouldn't work, now would it?  Roll Eyes



No action in the face of evil in their midst is a total moral failure.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #715 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:42pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 6:06pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 2:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Nor you.

SO we are all judging them by their actions and by the fruits of their actions.
And I'm afraid it's a Fail.


According to whom?  You?  Sorry, Soren, we know how biased your viewpoint is!   Roll Eyes

Well, if you are not judging them by their actions and the fruits of their actions, what are you judging them by?


By their lack of action?  No, of course not, that wouldn't work, now would it?  Roll Eyes


No action in the face of evil in their midst is a total moral failure.


No action or they concern themselves with their own affairs?  You might like to try it for a change, Soren.  Of course, it means you won't be able to continue your persecution of others on the basis of their religion but well, I'm sure you'll be able to pick another target quickly enough...   Roll Eyes
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #716 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:42pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 6:06pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 2:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Nor you.

SO we are all judging them by their actions and by the fruits of their actions.
And I'm afraid it's a Fail.


According to whom?  You?  Sorry, Soren, we know how biased your viewpoint is!   Roll Eyes

Well, if you are not judging them by their actions and the fruits of their actions, what are you judging them by?


By their lack of action?  No, of course not, that wouldn't work, now would it?  Roll Eyes


No action in the face of evil in their midst is a total moral failure.


No action or they concern themselves with their own affairs? 


That's right, Brain, Muslims have nuffin' to do wiv Islam. They are minding their entirely non-Islamic affairs.

Until it's time to riot and pout and tut-tut about someone drawing a cartoon of Mohammed.  THEN they will mind nothing else. Then it will be 'how very dare they'.






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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #717 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 1:03am
 
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:42pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 6:06pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 2:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Nor you.

SO we are all judging them by their actions and by the fruits of their actions.
And I'm afraid it's a Fail.


According to whom?  You?  Sorry, Soren, we know how biased your viewpoint is!   Roll Eyes

Well, if you are not judging them by their actions and the fruits of their actions, what are you judging them by?


By their lack of action?  No, of course not, that wouldn't work, now would it?  Roll Eyes


No action in the face of evil in their midst is a total moral failure.


No action or they concern themselves with their own affairs? 


That's right, Brain, Muslims have nuffin' to do wiv Islam. They are minding their entirely non-Islamic affairs.

Until it's time to riot and pout and tut-tut about someone drawing a cartoon of Mohammed.  THEN they will mind nothing else. Then it will be 'how very dare they'.


Some people get upset at the easiest of things, some use them as an excuse as well.  You appear to fit into the latter group rather well, Soren.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #718 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 9:08am
 
We have an answer:

Copenhagen free speech debate shooting: One dead

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31472423

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Denmark is on high alert after a gunman in Copenhagen killed one person and injured three others at a debate on blasphemy and free speech attended by a controversial Swedish cartoonist.

Several dozen shots were fired at the seminar and a manhunt is now under way.

Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt described it as a "politically motivated" act of terrorism.

Cartoonist Lars Vilks, who has faced death threats over his caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, was unhurt.

Police initially believed there had been two suspects, but later said they were searching for a lone gunman.

They released a photograph showing the alleged attacker apparently wearing a purple balaclava and thick puffer jacket.

The three injured were police officers.

An audio recording, obtained exclusively by the BBC, revealed the moments leading up to the attack.

One of the speakers at the debate, which took place at a cafe and concerned the limits of free speech, is suddenly interrupted by a barrage of gunshots.

Eyewitness Niels Ivar Larsen, speaking to the Associated Press news agency, said: "I heard someone firing with an automatic weapon and someone shouting.

"Police returned fire and I hid behind the bar."

The French ambassador, Francois Zimeray, was also present during the attack.

Shortly after the shooting, a message appeared on his Twitter feed saying he was still alive.

The area around the venue is under lockdown, reports the BBC's Malcolm Brabant, and police have erected cordons as they search a nearby park.

Strict security

The debate was described on a personal website of Lars Vilks as a talk on whether any limits should be placed on artistic expression or freedom of speech.

A description of the event asked whether artists could "dare" to be blasphemous in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo terror attacks by Islamist gunmen in Paris last month.

In an indication of the threat faced by the cartoonist, a note was included on the website saying there was always "strict security" whenever he spoke in public.

An organiser of Saturday's event, Helle Merete Brix, told BBC World TV it was being guarded by armed police and security agents from the Danish intelligence service, as well as Mr Vilks' own bodyguards.

She said she clearly considered the incident an attack on Mr Vilk.

Lars Vilks stoked controversy in 2007 by drawing pictures of the Prophet Muhammad dressed as a dog.

In 2010 two brothers tried to burn down the cartoonist's house in southern Sweden and were imprisoned for attempted arson.

Satirists targeting Islam have been in the spotlight since the January attacks in France, when 17 people were killed in separate incidents over a three-day period.

French President Francois Hollande said Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve would visit the Danish capital as soon as possible.

A message from the president's official Twitter feed said Mr Hollande expressed his solidarity with Denmark's prime minister.

Cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad were published by a Danish newspaper in 2005, sparking deadly riots in some Muslim countries.

Lars Vilks: A controversial career

June 1946: born in Helsingborg, Sweden

2007: Stoked controversy when he drew a series of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a dog which were published in a number of Swedish papers

Sept 2007: $100,000 bounty placed on his head by then leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq

March 2010: Seven Irish citizens arrested over separate plots to kill Vilks: US woman Colleen LaRose, aka Jihad Jane, also arrested and later jailed for 10 years for conspiracy to commit murder

May 2010: Assaulted by Muslim protesters during a lecture about free speech at Uppsala University, Sweden

Sept 2011: Three men arrested in Gothenburg, Sweden, for plotting to kill Vilks

March 2013: Placed on "most wanted" list By al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula

Feb 2015: Gunmen attack event on blasphemy, art and freedom of expression organised by Vilks at the Krudttoenden café in Copenhagen, Denmark
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #719 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 9:25am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:42pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

No action in the face of evil in their midst is a total moral failure.



No action or they concern themselves with their own affairs?  You might like to try it for a change, Soren.



Of course, it means you won't be able to continue

your persecution of others on the basis of their religion


but well, I'm sure you'll be able to pick another target quickly enough...   Roll Eyes





"persecution of others on the basis of their religion"
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Brian Ross,

So your argument in support of 'tolerance' of religion, in this public forum is;

The followers of a 'religion' which promotes religious violence and religious bigotry, as an article of faith, should not be criticised and censured,         because that would be
"persecution of others on the basis of their religion"
.

!!!!




Essentially, your argument is that the followers of a religion [ISLAM], which promotes religious violence and religious bigotry should be exempt from public criticism and censure,         BECAUSE, ISLAM IS A RELIGION,         .....and to criticise the followers of ISLAM, is the
"persecution of others on the basis of their religion"
.

!!!!



The religious argument which ISLAM makes, The article of faith promoted by ISLAM [ISLAM, as a 'religious' philosophy!!!], is that it is lawful for moslems to fight and to kill any person who rejects ISLAM.......


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111





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Brian Ross,

Have you looked up the definition of terrorism lately ?


Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.


AGAIN;

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29





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