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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #735 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm

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Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

Soren, I believe you really need to reorientate your moral compass if you believe that. I have condemned Muslim atrocities when they have occurred. I don't condemn the majority of Muslims because of it, any more than I condemn the majority of Jews or Christians or Hindus or Buddhists when people commit their own atrocities in the names of those religions. I am to differentiate. You obviously are unable to make any difference. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

Islam has a very strong and clear message of violence and Muslims who murder in the name of Islam follow these messages very closely. They are not following anything but islam. They say so themselves, every time.

Just as Christians/Hindus/Buddhists do, Soren...

Really???

I am not familiar with the New Testament's strong message of violence or Jesus's examples of it.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #736 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

A worryingly large number of the world's Muslims actually support the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery etc. There is actual evidence for this, not just the imaginary evidence Brian waffles on about.

Where is your evidence of what Muslims say or feel today, now, FD? Roll Eyes

According to Brian an answer from a Muslim is only valid at the time it is given. If you ask the same question again, you are likely to get a completely different answer. Thus any surveys we have that demonstrate how backwards the views of the world's Muslims are are automatically invalidated because they are out of date. Our only alternative is to go back to Brian's method of "feeling" what they think, which is of course all love and flowers. If Brian's head is still attached, this proves that Muslims are nice people.

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Reply #737 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:46pm

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

A worryingly large number of the world's Muslims actually support the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery etc. There is actual evidence for this, not just the imaginary evidence Brian waffles on about.

Where is your evidence of what Muslims say or feel today, now, FD? Roll Eyes

According to Brian an answer from a Muslim is only valid at the time it is given. If you ask the same question again, you are likely to get a completely different answer. Thus any surveys we have that demonstrate how backwards the views of the world's Muslims are are automatically invalidated because they are out of date. Our only alternative is to go back to Brian's method of "feeling" what they think, which is of course all love and flowers. If Brian's head is still attached, this proves that Muslims are nice people.

Er.... no.

The latest from the horse's mouth:

The new issue of ISIS’ magazine released today takes issue with Western leaders who assert that Islam is a religion of peace.

In the Dabiq magazine article, the writer said the wrongful “slogan” is also being used by “apologetic ‘du’āt’ [beggars] when flirting with the West.”

“They have repeated this slogan so much to the extent that some of them alleged that Islam calls to permanent peace with kufr and the kāfirīn. How far is their claim from the truth, for Allah has revealed Islam to be the religion of the sword, and the evidence for this is so profuse that only a zindīq (heretic) would argue otherwise,” the magazine states.

The article features a photo of two men at a protest holding a sign that says “Islam = Paz,” with the caption, “Deviants claiming that Islam equals peace.”

After a page worth of quotes from the Quran that “revealed the sword against the apostates,” the article asks, “So how can the zanādiqah (heretics) or even those who blindly follow them – Bush, Brian Ross
, Obama and Kerry – obstinately claim that ‘Islam is a religion of peace,’ meaning pacifism?”

“One of the biggest shubuhāt propagated by the heretics is the linguistic root for the word Islam. They claim it comes from the word salām (peace), when in actuality it comes from words meaning submission and sincerity sharing the same consonant root.”

It quotes more of the Quran, concluding “it is clear then that salām (peace) is not the basis of the word Islam, although it shares the same consonant root (s-l-m) and is one of the outcomes of the religion’s sword, as the sword will continue to be drawn, raised, and swung until ‘Īsā (Jesus – ‘alayhis-salām) kills the Dajjāl (the Antichrist) and abolishes the jizyah. Thereafter, kufr and its tyranny will be destroyed; Islam and its justice will prevail on the entire Earth.”

“…There will always be a party of Muslims fighting parties of kāfirīn until there is no more fitnah and the religion is completely for Allah alone.”
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/02/12/isis-upset-with-obama-kerry-heretics-for-sl...

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #738 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:04pm

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

Soren, I believe you really need to reorientate your moral compass if you believe that. I have condemned Muslim atrocities when they have occurred. I don't condemn the majority of Muslims because of it, any more than I condemn the majority of Jews or Christians or Hindus or Buddhists when people commit their own atrocities in the names of those religions. I am to differentiate. You obviously are unable to make any difference. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

Islam has a very strong and clear message of violence and Muslims who murder in the name of Islam follow these messages very closely. They are not following anything but islam. They say so themselves, every time.

Just as Christians/Hindus/Buddhists do, Soren...

Really???

I am not familiar with the New Testament's strong message of violence or Jesus's examples of it.

Never claimed either but it is there, indirectly, Soren. One just has to look beyond to what is happening in the background to see it. Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #739 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

A worryingly large number of the world's Muslims actually support the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery etc. There is actual evidence for this, not just the imaginary evidence Brian waffles on about.

Where is your evidence of what Muslims say or feel today, now, FD? Roll Eyes

According to Brian an answer from a Muslim is only valid at the time it is given. If you ask the same question again, you are likely to get a completely different answer. Thus any surveys we have that demonstrate how backwards the views of the world's Muslims are are automatically invalidated because they are out of date. Our only alternative is to go back to Brian's method of "feeling" what they think, which is of course all love and flowers. If Brian's head is still attached, this proves that Muslims are nice people.

I prefer to rely upon concrete examples, myself, FD. Don't know what you like to rely upon, except these airy-fairy ones you never provide links to... Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #740 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:09pm

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

A worryingly large number of the world's Muslims actually support the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery etc. There is actual evidence for this, not just the imaginary evidence Brian waffles on about.

Where is your evidence of what Muslims say or feel today, now, FD? Roll Eyes

According to Brian an answer from a Muslim is only valid at the time it is given. If you ask the same question again, you are likely to get a completely different answer. Thus any surveys we have that demonstrate how backwards the views of the world's Muslims are are automatically invalidated because they are out of date. Our only alternative is to go back to Brian's method of "feeling" what they think, which is of course all love and flowers. If Brian's head is still attached, this proves that Muslims are nice people.

Er.... no.

The latest from the horse's mouth:

http://pjmedia-new.pjmedia.netdna-cdn.com/tatler/user-content/31/files/2015/02/S...
The new issue of ISIS’ magazine released today takes issue with Western leaders who assert that Islam is a religion of peace.

Well, I'd tend to agree with them, if I followed ISIS's lead on the matter but I don't. I prefer to go with what an awfully large number of Imams' have said, myself. What do you think, Soren? Should we listen to a tiny minority who are advocating the violent aspects of a religious belief system or the much larger number who are represented by all those Imams? Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #741 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

A worryingly large number of the world's Muslims actually support the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery etc. There is actual evidence for this, not just the imaginary evidence Brian waffles on about.

Where is your evidence of what Muslims say or feel today, now, FD? Roll Eyes

According to Brian an answer from a Muslim is only valid at the time it is given. If you ask the same question again, you are likely to get a completely different answer. Thus any surveys we have that demonstrate how backwards the views of the world's Muslims are are automatically invalidated because they are out of date. Our only alternative is to go back to Brian's method of "feeling" what they think, which is of course all love and flowers. If Brian's head is still attached, this proves that Muslims are nice people.

Er.... no.

The latest from the horse's mouth:

http://pjmedia-new.pjmedia.netdna-cdn.com/tatler/user-content/31/files/2015/02/S...
The new issue of ISIS’ magazine released today takes issue with Western leaders who assert that Islam is a religion of peace.

Well, I'd tend to agree with them, if I followed ISIS's lead on the matter but I don't. I prefer to go with what an awfully large number of Imams' have said, myself. What do you think, Soren? Should we listen to a tiny minority who are advocating the violent aspects of a religious belief system or the much larger number who are represented by all those Imams? Roll Eyes

100 imams, the vast majority?

You require help Bwain Bwian.

I have searched the internet and have found an item that is the Epiphany of yourself.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #742 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

A worryingly large number of the world's Muslims actually support the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery etc. There is actual evidence for this, not just the imaginary evidence Brian waffles on about.

Where is your evidence of what Muslims say or feel today, now, FD? Roll Eyes

According to Brian an answer from a Muslim is only valid at the time it is given. If you ask the same question again, you are likely to get a completely different answer. Thus any surveys we have that demonstrate how backwards the views of the world's Muslims are are automatically invalidated because they are out of date. Our only alternative is to go back to Brian's method of "feeling" what they think, which is of course all love and flowers. If Brian's head is still attached, this proves that Muslims are nice people.

Er.... no.

The latest from the horse's mouth:

http://pjmedia-new.pjmedia.netdna-cdn.com/tatler/user-content/31/files/2015/02/S...
The new issue of ISIS’ magazine released today takes issue with Western leaders who assert that Islam is a religion of peace.

Well, I'd tend to agree with them, if I followed ISIS's lead on the matter but I don't. I prefer to go with what an awfully large number of Imams' have said, myself. What do you think, Soren? Should we listen to a tiny minority who are advocating the violent aspects of a religious belief system or the much larger number who are represented by all those Imams? Roll Eyes

I think those imams count for camel shite - or less. The imams are evidently impotent and irrelevant. They make zero difference on the ground.

No wonder you place all your faith in them - they are like you: irrelevant. Nobody gives a bugger about what imams of no consequence "condemn". It's weasel words and bollocks only the likes of you swallow. The head hacking and live burning and murdering continues in the name of Allah and in the manner of Mohammed.i

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #743 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:30pm

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

A worryingly large number of the world's Muslims actually support the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery etc. There is actual evidence for this, not just the imaginary evidence Brian waffles on about.

Where is your evidence of what Muslims say or feel today, now, FD? Roll Eyes

According to Brian an answer from a Muslim is only valid at the time it is given. If you ask the same question again, you are likely to get a completely different answer. Thus any surveys we have that demonstrate how backwards the views of the world's Muslims are are automatically invalidated because they are out of date. Our only alternative is to go back to Brian's method of "feeling" what they think, which is of course all love and flowers. If Brian's head is still attached, this proves that Muslims are nice people.

Er.... no.

The latest from the horse's mouth:

http://pjmedia-new.pjmedia.netdna-cdn.com/tatler/user-content/31/files/2015/02/S...
The new issue of ISIS’ magazine released today takes issue with Western leaders who assert that Islam is a religion of peace.

Well, I'd tend to agree with them, if I followed ISIS's lead on the matter but I don't. I prefer to go with what an awfully large number of Imams' have said, myself. What do you think, Soren? Should we listen to a tiny minority who are advocating the violent aspects of a religious belief system or the much larger number who are represented by all those Imams? Roll Eyes

I think those imams count for camel shite - or less. The imams are evidently impotent and irrelevant. They make zero difference on the ground.

No wonder you place all your faith in them - they are like you: irrelevant.

And your authority is derived from, where, exactly, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #744 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:04pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

Soren, I believe you really need to reorientate your moral compass if you believe that. I have condemned Muslim atrocities when they have occurred. I don't condemn the majority of Muslims because of it, any more than I condemn the majority of Jews or Christians or Hindus or Buddhists when people commit their own atrocities in the names of those religions. I am to differentiate. You obviously are unable to make any difference. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

Islam has a very strong and clear message of violence and Muslims who murder in the name of Islam follow these messages very closely. They are not following anything but islam. They say so themselves, every time.

Just as Christians/Hindus/Buddhists do, Soren...

Really???

I am not familiar with the New Testament's strong message of violence or Jesus's examples of it.

Never claimed either but it is there, indirectly, Soren. One just has to look beyond to what is happening in the background to see it. Roll Eyes

You are lying within 5 minutes of saying "Just as Christians do, Soren". You are an amazingly dishonest fantasist. I am truly blown by your utter divorce from anything resembling normal. " It's all here in the background, unstated but you can see and hear that no-one else can. "
You are not within the 'normal' range, sorry to tell you, Brain.

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Reply #745 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

A worryingly large number of the world's Muslims actually support the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery etc. There is actual evidence for this, not just the imaginary evidence Brian waffles on about.

Where is your evidence of what Muslims say or feel today, now, FD? Roll Eyes

According to Brian an answer from a Muslim is only valid at the time it is given. If you ask the same question again, you are likely to get a completely different answer. Thus any surveys we have that demonstrate how backwards the views of the world's Muslims are are automatically invalidated because they are out of date. Our only alternative is to go back to Brian's method of "feeling" what they think, which is of course all love and flowers. If Brian's head is still attached, this proves that Muslims are nice people.

Er.... no.

The latest from the horse's mouth:

http://pjmedia-new.pjmedia.netdna-cdn.com/tatler/user-content/31/files/2015/02/S...
The new issue of ISIS’ magazine released today takes issue with Western leaders who assert that Islam is a religion of peace.

Well, I'd tend to agree with them, if I followed ISIS's lead on the matter but I don't. I prefer to go with what an awfully large number of Imams' have said, myself. What do you think, Soren? Should we listen to a tiny minority who are advocating the violent aspects of a religious belief system or the much larger number who are represented by all those Imams? Roll Eyes

I think those imams count for camel shite - or less. The imams are evidently impotent and irrelevant. They make zero difference on the ground.

No wonder you place all your faith in them - they are like you: irrelevant.

And your authority is derived from, where, exactly, Soren? Roll Eyes

I am sane and socially and intellectually well-adjusted person who can maintain a cohesive position across arguments spanning weeks, months, years.

You are not. You are an incoherent fantasist who is unable to maintain a cohesive thought within a single post spanning all of 2 minutes.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #746 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

You are lying within 5 minutes of saying "Just as Christians do, Soren". You are an amazingly dishonest fantasist. I am truly blown by your utter divorce from anything resembling normal. " It's all here in the background, unstated but you can see and hear that no-one else can. "
You are not within the 'normal' range, sorry to tell you, Brain.

I've never claimed to be "normal", Soren. Roll Eyes

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Reply #747 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

You are lying within 5 minutes of saying "Just as Christians do, Soren". You are an amazingly dishonest fantasist. I am truly blown by your utter divorce from anything resembling normal. " It's all here in the background, unstated but you can see and hear that no-one else can. "
You are not within the 'normal' range, sorry to tell you, Brain.

I've never claimed to be "normal", Soren. Roll Eyes

Your first honest post in years.

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Reply #748 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:44pm

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

You are lying within 5 minutes of saying "Just as Christians do, Soren". You are an amazingly dishonest fantasist. I am truly blown by your utter divorce from anything resembling normal. " It's all here in the background, unstated but you can see and hear that no-one else can. "
You are not within the 'normal' range, sorry to tell you, Brain.

I've never claimed to be "normal", Soren. Roll Eyes

Your first honest post in years.

All my posts are honest, Soren. You just can't recognise them as such, thats all. Roll Eyes

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Reply #749 - Feb 15^th, 2015 at 9:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

You are lying within 5 minutes of saying "Just as Christians do, Soren". You are an amazingly dishonest fantasist. I am truly blown by your utter divorce from anything resembling normal. " It's all here in the background, unstated but you can see and hear that no-one else can. "
You are not within the 'normal' range, sorry to tell you, Brain.

I've never claimed to be "normal", Soren. Roll Eyes

Your first honest post in years.

All my posts are honest, Soren. You just can't recognise them as such, thats all. Roll Eyes

That's right, I cannot. It's your word against years of experiencing your dishonesty.

Your words has no value in the face of experience.

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Muslims preventing people from mocking Muhammed 11 (55.0%) Journalists not reporting some ASIO intel ops 4 (20.0%) Something else 5 (25.0%) Total votes: 20 « Created by: freediver on: Oct 9^th, 2014 at 12:43pm »