Can anybody give me a clear definition of 'free speech'? Is it the "right to be a bigot" as espoused by George Brandis?

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

Free speech means you can speak freely.

Speech=expressing your thoughts. (anything difficult for you in this?)
Free = unrestrained by other people; without any legal curtailments or limitations.


What did you think it meant?

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What am I projecting? Abu's views? The Koran?

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Odd choice of words. Not opposing freedom of speech is not the same as supporting it. You don't obtain and maintain freedom by merely not opposing it. This is what I meant when I said there is an awful lot that Muslims are not doing. Wringing your hands every time the head hackers come out to play is not the same thing as standing up for freedom of speech.

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Why is it that in all this 'debate' between violent Muslims and Muslims who oppose violence in this context, there is no discussion on the role of freedom of speech in Islam and the right of non-Muslims to depict and mock Muhammed? Why have you not produced a single example where they use the words? The best the Muslims can come up with is ooohh that's not nice don't chop that man's head off, bad Muslim!

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Would you mind giving a single example from all of human history where freedom of speech has been obtained by merely obeying the law?

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That's an interesting choice of words. What did they actually condemn? Did they use the words "free speech"? They normally talk of violence towards people. Words like freedom leave too much of a bitter taste in their mouth.

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Another interesting choice of words. Ban free speech? Is that like saying kill hypocrits? You appear to be losing your ability to speak English Gandalf. Would this be easier in Arabic?

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I am saying they should do more than react by offering platitudes in response to head hacking lunatics. They should come on the offensive in support of freedom of speech. They could start by using the words. It will not happen of course. The best you can expect from muslims is to tolerate it then gaze at their navels in wonderment as it gets taken away from them.

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:


There you go Gandalf. This is what Muslims sound like when they use the words free speech. I'm sure if there was a spitting emoticon he would have used it.

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:03pm:


Ah.

How does one tell apart the peaceful muslims from the ‘tiny minority’ BEFORE there is any violence.
Your tips would be appreciated, Gandy.
After all, you can’t tell them apart by looking at them. They read the same koran, follow the same Mohammed, pray 5 times, have beards, their women are covered for modesty’s sake, etc.

How do you tell them apart before you get hurt?

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:05pm:

How does one tell apart the <X> from the ‘tiny minority’ BEFORE there is any violence.
After all, you can’t tell them apart by looking at them. They read the same <A>, follow the same <B>, pray <C>, have <D>, their women are <E>, etc.

How do you tell them apart before you get hurt?
<X>=Papua New Guineans The French The Germans Your family at a reunion?

Karnal wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:07am:



Ummmm cos Islam is so relaxed on bum banditry?   If the fellow was that keen on following fellows into cubicles he would, as a matter of survival, stay clear of all things Islam.