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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #810 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:55pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:53pm:

No. I don't set those standards. freediver does. I still do not get what you are on about, but we've probably exhausted the matter.

Ah so freediver breached your personal (not forum) standards and that's why you felt compelled to make the post in the hope that he would rise to the occasion by you bringing it to his attention.

Why not a PM ?

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38771 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #811 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:56pm SweetLambo wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:55pm: Ah so freediver breached your personal (not forum) standards and that's why you felt compelled to make the post in the hope that he would rise to the occasion by you bringing it to his attention. Why not a PM ? Go away.
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #812 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:58pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:56pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Ah so freediver breached your personal (not forum) standards and that's why you felt compelled to make the post in the hope that he would rise to the occasion by you bringing it to his attention.

Why not a PM ?

Go away.

Good idea, if you can't stay on topic, go away, or PM the person that you feel the need to chastise.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #813 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 3:19pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:53pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:46pm:

According to your forum standards of course.

So in essence he breached a standard, barrier that you have in place I guess. Ooookay.

Lets hope FD pulls himself up and keeps those standards.

I still do not get what you are on about.

It sounds like Messenger is sticking up for people who have been banned. He sounds like a champion of free speech to me - a whistle-blower.

Perhaps he's defending a certain poster who had a nervous breakdown and begged to be banned. Or a certain poster who spammed and crashed the board - twice.

Freeeeedom, innit.

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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #814 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm Cool story Bro.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #815 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 4:17pm SweetLambo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm: Cool story Bro. Do you know what you are, Messenger? You're a human rights advocate.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49094 At my desk.	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #816 - Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 10:04am polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 12:02pm: freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2014 at 6:51pm: All it would require is you quoting an Australian Muslim leader supporting the right to depict and mock Muhammed. You won't find one - the idea is absurd. Gandalf seems to have forgotten saying this.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #817 - Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 10:48am Gandalf hasn't - Gandalf stands by it - the idea is absurd. As is the idea of a christian leader supporting the right to depict and mock Jesus. And yet both leaders would at the same time condemn any proposed or actual violent reaction to it. FD has forgotton the point he thinks he is making.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Is Islam against free speech? Reply #818 - Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 11:30am polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 10:48am: FD has forgotton the point he thinks he is making. So have the rest of us!
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Reply #819 - Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm

Most western leaders, particularly during the time when these rights were being established, were Christian Gandalf. Christian leaders (including those within religious institutions) who want to the state to protect the Church from criticism and mockery are the exception, not the norm. What is absurd to expect from a Muslim leader is unremarkable from any other leader.

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #820 - Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:43pm

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Most western leaders, particularly during the time when these rights were being established, were Christian Gandalf. Christian leaders (including those within religious institutions) who want to the state to protect the Church from criticism and mockery are the exception, not the norm. What is absurd to expect from a Muslim leader is unremarkable from any other leader.

So, who does George Pell represent, FD? Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #821 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:51pm

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Most western leaders, particularly during the time when these rights were being established, were Christian Gandalf.

You twisted the meaning of 'christian leader' - deliberately so methinks.

I am not talking about political leaders who just happen to be christian - obviously. Just as I am not talking about political leaders who just happen to be muslim. Both can and do openly call for the right to mock religion, as well as champion secular values. I am talking about the Popes and archbishops and muftis etc - people who are actually muslim/christian leaders - as in religious leaders whose primary role is to lead christians/muslims religiously. Neither will call for their religion to be ridiculed - and nor should they be expected to. But that is a far cry from saying people should be prevented from doing so - as George Pell is on record as saying.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #822 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:43pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Most western leaders, particularly during the time when these rights were being established, were Christian Gandalf. Christian leaders (including those within religious institutions) who want to the state to protect the Church from criticism and mockery are the exception, not the norm. What is absurd to expect from a Muslim leader is unremarkable from any other leader.

So, who does George Pell represent, FD? Roll Eyes

He went to court, as the representative of the head of the Archdiocese of Sydney - he didn't go on a shooting or bombing spree. And lost in court. And accepted the verdict.

But your pea brain, this is the same thing as Muslims killing scores of people across the world because of books, cartoons, vids.

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Reply #823 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:57pm

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:43pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Most western leaders, particularly during the time when these rights were being established, were Christian Gandalf. Christian leaders (including those within religious institutions) who want to the state to protect the Church from criticism and mockery are the exception, not the norm. What is absurd to expect from a Muslim leader is unremarkable from any other leader.

So, who does George Pell represent, FD? Roll Eyes

He went to court, as the representative of the head of the Archdiocese of Sydney - he didn't go on a shooting or bombing spree. And lost in court. And accepted the verdict.

But your pea brain, this is the same thing as Muslims killing scores of people across the world because of books, cartoons, vids.

**WHOOSH** straight over your head, as usual. Your Islamophobia prevents you seeing the falsehoods in your statement, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #824 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

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Just as I am not talking about political leaders who just happen to be muslim.

Like Muhammed, for example?

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I am talking about the Popes and archbishops and muftis etc - people who are actually muslim/christian leaders - as in religious leaders whose primary role is to lead christians/muslims religiously.

This concept is alien to Islam.

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Neither will call for their religion to be ridiculed - and nor should they be expected to.

And here you go deliberately misunderstanding what I am saying. Surely this far into the debate on free speech you should be able to tell the difference between supporting what people say and supporting their right to say it? It's not like it hasn't been pointed out already. Do we really need to go back to the beginning again?

You do this in order to avoid addressing the issue. It is yet another Muslim deflection.

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But that is a far cry from saying people should be prevented from doing so - as George Pell is on record as saying.

Well done, you have found a Christian leader who opposes freedom of speech - one who, for good reason, was all over the news. Now try to find a Muslim leader who supports it.

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Question: most effective attacks on our freedom of speech?
Muslims preventing people from mocking Muhammed 11 (55.0%) Journalists not reporting some ASIO intel ops 4 (20.0%) Something else 5 (25.0%) Total votes: 20 « Created by: freediver on: Oct 9^th, 2014 at 12:43pm »