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Question: most effective attacks on our freedom of speech?

Muslims preventing people from mocking Muhammed    
  11 (55.0%)
Journalists not reporting some ASIO intel ops    
  4 (20.0%)
Something else    
  5 (25.0%)




Total votes: 20
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Reply #855 - May 7th, 2015 at 10:14pm
 
Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Muslims React To Garland Shooting With Strong Condemnation Of Violence...


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Muslims are encouraged not to draw images of the Prophet. While the Quran doesn't explicitly prohibit images of Muhammed, the issue is mentioned in the hadith, a secondary holy text. The ban is informed by the belief that the Prophet Muhammad was a man, and not a God. The fear is that people will become too deeply attached to the image, and a result, begin praying to it.




WHat stupid nonsense.  You can't draw Mohammed cartoons coz someone might pray to the image??? And they kill or want to kill cartoonists to prevent other Muslims to pray to the images they draw?
Who believes this idiocy?



muslims do
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Reply #856 - May 8th, 2015 at 10:57am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 10:14pm:
Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Muslims React To Garland Shooting With Strong Condemnation Of Violence...


First paragrapgh of Brain's link:
Muslims are encouraged not to draw images of the Prophet. While the Quran doesn't explicitly prohibit images of Muhammed, the issue is mentioned in the hadith, a secondary holy text. The ban is informed by the belief that the Prophet Muhammad was a man, and not a God. The fear is that people will become too deeply attached to the image, and a result, begin praying to it.




WHat stupid nonsense.  You can't draw Mohammed cartoons coz someone might pray to the image??? And they kill or want to kill cartoonists to prevent other Muslims to pray to the images they draw?
Who believes this idiocy?



muslims do



Wow, all 1.6 billion?  Or is it in reality just a subset?  I wonder Sprint what you thought of the Puritan views on the depiction of Jesus Christ?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #857 - May 8th, 2015 at 11:57am
 
|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 10:57am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 10:14pm:
Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Muslims React To Garland Shooting With Strong Condemnation Of Violence...


First paragrapgh of Brain's link:
Muslims are encouraged not to draw images of the Prophet. While the Quran doesn't explicitly prohibit images of Muhammed, the issue is mentioned in the hadith, a secondary holy text. The ban is informed by the belief that the Prophet Muhammad was a man, and not a God. The fear is that people will become too deeply attached to the image, and a result, begin praying to it.




WHat stupid nonsense.  You can't draw Mohammed cartoons coz someone might pray to the image??? And they kill or want to kill cartoonists to prevent other Muslims to pray to the images they draw?
Who believes this idiocy?



muslims do



Wow, all 1.6 billion?  Or is it in reality just a subset?  I wonder Sprint what you thought of the Puritan views on the depiction of Jesus Christ?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


Wasn't that the 16th & 17th Century, which is totally immaterial today?

The Muslim response to 20th & 21st century cartoons is whats at hand, & how they are ridiculously being somehow viewed by today's Muslims as forcing other Muslims to pray to the images that the cartoonists have drawn.  Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes
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Re: Is Islam against free speech?
Reply #858 - May 8th, 2015 at 12:09pm
 
Panther wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:57am:
|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 10:57am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 10:14pm:
Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Muslims React To Garland Shooting With Strong Condemnation Of Violence...


First paragrapgh of Brain's link:
Muslims are encouraged not to draw images of the Prophet. While the Quran doesn't explicitly prohibit images of Muhammed, the issue is mentioned in the hadith, a secondary holy text. The ban is informed by the belief that the Prophet Muhammad was a man, and not a God. The fear is that people will become too deeply attached to the image, and a result, begin praying to it.




WHat stupid nonsense.  You can't draw Mohammed cartoons coz someone might pray to the image??? And they kill or want to kill cartoonists to prevent other Muslims to pray to the images they draw?
Who believes this idiocy?



muslims do



Wow, all 1.6 billion?  Or is it in reality just a subset?  I wonder Sprint what you thought of the Puritan views on the depiction of Jesus Christ?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


Wasn't that the 16th & 17th Century, which is totally immaterial today?

The Muslim response to 20th & 21st century cartoons is whats at hand, & how they are ridiculously being somehow viewed by today's Muslims as forcing other Muslims to pray to the images that the cartoonists have drawn.  Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes


Some Muslims are without doubt fools.  Rather like Christians in Melbourne were, when the artistic work, Piss Christ, was placed on display at the National Gallery of Victoria in 1997.   All Opiates have fools who enjoy partaking of their wares.   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #859 - May 8th, 2015 at 12:17pm
 
Some people say that moderate Muslim groups are too slow to condemn violent Islamic extremists but that's not true.

A Sydney mosque has already prepared a statement condemning next week's terrorist attack.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #860 - May 8th, 2015 at 12:39pm
 
Muslim Extremists
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just go down their local primary school.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #861 - May 8th, 2015 at 5:17pm
 
Panther wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 12:17pm:
Some people say that moderate Muslim groups are too slow to condemn violent Islamic extremists but that's not true.

A Sydney mosque has already prepared a statement condemning next week's terrorist attack.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin




Imams condemn backlash in wake of next week terror attack.

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Reply #862 - May 9th, 2015 at 3:16pm
 
Is Islam against free speech?

Of course it is.


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Texas Gunmen Honored as Martyrs in Pakistan
Nadir Soofi and Elton Simpson were honored for their 'martyrdom' after they were killed attacking a 'Draw Mohammed' event in Garland, Texas

Around 100 people gathered to hold a memorial service in Peshawar for the gunmen. A cleric delivered a eulogy saying “The exhibition of the blasphemous caricatures was unbearable for Muslims. It was shocking, sad, tragic and intolerable. We have gathered here to pay tribute and to carry out the Islamic rites for the Muslims who tried to stop it and sacrificed their lives and they will now be called ‘Martyrs for the prophet’s honor.’”
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Reply #864 - May 9th, 2015 at 5:46pm
 
dareness?  Undecided
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #865 - May 9th, 2015 at 7:49pm
 
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Exactly. In Dar al-Islam, they can kill you for it.

It is a jolly world, no?
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Reply #866 - May 10th, 2015 at 3:57pm
 
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Pakis for ya.

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The media "narrative" of the last week is that some Zionist temptress was walking down the street in Garland in a too short skirt and hoisted it to reveal her Mohammed thong - oops, my apologies, her Prophet Mohammed thong (PBUH) - and thereby inflamed two otherwise law-abiding ISIS supporters peacefully minding their own business.

It'll be a long time before you see "Washington Post Offers No Apology for Attacking Target of Thwarted Attack" or "AP Says It Has No Regrets After Blaming The Victim". The respectable class in the American media share the same goal as the Islamic fanatics: They want to silence Pam Geller. To be sure, they have a mild disagreement about the means to that end - although even then you get the feeling, as with Garry Trudeau and those dozens of PEN novelists' reaction to Charlie Hebdo, that the "narrative" wouldn't change very much if the jihad boys had got luckier and Pam, Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer and a dozen others were all piled up in the Garland morgue.

If the American press were not so lazy and parochial, they would understand that this was the third Islamic attack on free speech this year - first, Charlie Hebdo in Paris; second, the Lars Vilks event in Copenhagen; and now Texas. The difference in the corpse count is easily explained by a look at the video of the Paris gunmen, or the bullet holes they put in the police car. The French and Texan attackers supposedly had the same kind of weapons, although one should always treat American media reports with a high degree of skepticism when it comes to early identification of "assault weapons" and "AK47s". Nonetheless, from this reconstruction, it seems clear that the key distinction between the two attacks is that in Paris they knew how to use their guns and in Garland they didn't. So a very cool 60-year-old local cop with nothing but his service pistol advanced under fire and took down two guys whose heavier firepower managed only to put a bullet in an unarmed security guard's foot.

The Charlie Hebdo killers had received effective training overseas - as thousands of ISIS recruits with western passports are getting right now. What if the Garland gunmen had been as good as the Paris gunmen? Surely that would be a more interesting question for the somnolent American media than whether some lippy Jewess was asking for it.
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Reply #868 - May 13th, 2015 at 7:16pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 12:39pm:
Islam permits freedom of speech to an extent, no doubt you'd find that extent quite limiting.

For instance, as you've rightly pointed out, Islam does have anti-blasphemy laws, and in the area of slandering and defaming of prophets etc. there's no freedom of speech.

However, in many other areas Islam permits freedom of expression, such as criticism of a ruler. There is the famous case of a woman standing up and correcting Caliph Omar (May God be pleased with him) when he was addressing the Muslim nation, and he graciously accepted her correction. Also throughout most of the history of the Islamic Caliphate, there was the post of al-Qadi al-Madhloum (The judge for the oppressed), who would hear cases of ordinary citizens against the government/authorities, and would often prosecute people of the highest political calibre.

Islam does not permit people to speak about immoral things also, which I'm sure you'd consider restraining freedom of speech. So things like phone-sex lines are out, and I'm sure that would severely restrict you.

Apart from that, Islam generally has freedom of speech, like all other states though, there are some limits on it, perhaps ours are more than yours. Perhaps yours are more than others? Would they be right in claiming you don't have freedom of speech? To them, they'd be right, to you, no. Same deal with us.




Islam has freedom of speech except about Islam and Mohammed.  So you can slag off anyone non-Muslim, and anything that is not Islam.
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Reply #869 - May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm
 
Soren wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 7:16pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 12:39pm:
Islam permits freedom of speech to an extent, no doubt you'd find that extent quite limiting.

For instance, as you've rightly pointed out, Islam does have anti-blasphemy laws, and in the area of slandering and defaming of prophets etc. there's no freedom of speech.

However, in many other areas Islam permits freedom of expression, such as criticism of a ruler. There is the famous case of a woman standing up and correcting Caliph Omar (May God be pleased with him) when he was addressing the Muslim nation, and he graciously accepted her correction. Also throughout most of the history of the Islamic Caliphate, there was the post of al-Qadi al-Madhloum (The judge for the oppressed), who would hear cases of ordinary citizens against the government/authorities, and would often prosecute people of the highest political calibre.

Islam does not permit people to speak about immoral things also, which I'm sure you'd consider restraining freedom of speech. So things like phone-sex lines are out, and I'm sure that would severely restrict you.

Apart from that, Islam generally has freedom of speech, like all other states though, there are some limits on it, perhaps ours are more than yours. Perhaps yours are more than others? Would they be right in claiming you don't have freedom of speech? To them, they'd be right, to you, no. Same deal with us.




Islam has freedom of speech except about Islam and Mohammed.  So you can slag off anyone non-Muslim, and anything that is not Islam.


Them lying, one way, anti-everything not Islamic, intolerant pricks should all be deported back to the sand piles they spawned from, or humanely put down by the Australian Federal Police at the pleasure of Mohammad Abudabbibabbi Swartz & his 9 year old bride Jazzabelle Abromowhitz. 

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