Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:


I wasn't referring to people being executed or even accused of Blasphemy, Baron.  I was referring to the reasons why religions need such laws.  Christianity needed them to protect itself from the truth of what the Church was up to.  Islam needs them to protect itself from the truth as well, of what many of it's followers are doing in it's name.   

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:11pm:

So unless you are next to them while they are saying that,  you can’t tell them apart.

So what is the poor infidel to do? Any one of them could be a rabid jihadi or peaceful.

If you took your kid to childcare and they told you that a few of the workers are rampant sexual predators but most are OK  - what would you do? Or some of the barbers in your area were cut throats but most not.
What would you do? Take your chances and let your kiddie take his?
No. You would demand that the workers and barbers clear up their ranks. That is what you and Annie and Brain and the rest of you would do.
And that is what non muslims are demanding of you.
Shrugging your shoulders and saying it has nuffin to do wiv nuffin’ is an option only if you want to remain feared and shunned.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:46pm:

＜X＞ do not have an immutable book urging them to wage bloody jihad against the infidel.
Muslims do. And they do wage bloody jihad. Doctrinally they are indistinguishable from the ’vast majority’, yet they insist the jihadis have nuffin to do with Islam.


So it would be nice to know how the hell one tells them apart because apparently they do not like if you look at them with suspicion.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:02pm:

Rape is not legal and is severy punished and perpetrators shunned. Jihad is sharia compliant and is glorified.
There are no men rampaging through the world with plackards calling for the rape of anyone who calls men rapists.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:12pm:



I thought I did. Now thanks to his last post, I can't even remember my own point.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Violence committed in the name of Islam is a problem for Muslims like you to solve.  It is not for the targets of  Muslim violence, especially the non muslim targets, to eliminate or cover up or accept or submit the violent pathologies of Islam. Muslims must clean out the jihadis amongst them if they want to be accepted without suspicion.

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:24pm:


So, applying that logic to the problem of Islamophobic attacks would mean its the fault of the Islamophobes, not their victims, right?

So, why are you encouraging Islamophobia, rather than addressing your failings Soren or is it as usual, one rule for Muslims and another for their critics?   

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Putting up with freedom of speech while they have no choice is not the same as demonstrating loyalty to our values. You can only demonstrate loyalty by challenging it. Muslims love their peace because it means they do not have to show where their loyalties lie.

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Like Abu, Falah, Lestat, Malik, HB etc? What about all the anti-freedom aspects of the Koran? What about your inability to find a single example of Muslim leaders speaking out in favour of freedom of speech in their press releases about violent responses by Muslims to things people say, write and draw? Even you have conceded Islam has the death penalty for hypocrisy. What about the OIC demanding an end to freedom of speech via the UN? There are countless examples Gandalf. We are not imagining that Muslims are undermining freedom of speech. It is really happening. And the response by the 'good' Muslims is an inability to use the word freedom or rights.

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They should adopt freedom of speech as a core value, stand up for it and take on the Muslims who are obviously trying to destroy freedom. Speaking the words would be a good start, but is obviously not sufficient.

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You left out freedom-loving. In fact, you yourself have dodged the question of your own personal views on people's right to depict and mock Muhammed.

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You don't think that never once speaking out in support of freedom of speech might encourage the lunatics to destroy it?

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Let's keep it simple. Is Islam against freedom of speech? Can Muslims ever bring themselves to stand up for the rights of people to depict and mock Muhammed. Will Islam forever be represented on the one hand by head hacking lunatics who will kill you for saying the wrong thing, and on the other hand by 'normal' Muslims who wring their hands and whinge about being expected to make a stand?

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Abu offered us those platitudes, but also supports the death penalty under shariah law for various non-crimes. Perhaps we need an inquisition? We are still only slowly uncovering the extent of your support for Jew-slaughtering.

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Annie do you see any of us complaining about being expected to round up rapists and put them in jail, the way muslims complain about being expected to round up the head hacking lunatics? If we had 60 Australians join in a foreign rape cult (oh wait they have) and another 60 try but fail on account of having their passports cancelled, can you imagine other Australian members of their rape club having the gall to complain about police searches to try to get the rest of them? It is only because it involves Islam that you can get away with that nonsense. They are forever victims. Find me one man who complains about the hunt for rapists, or about background checks for blue cards in childcare, the way Gandalf is carrying on.