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Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Re: the top 40 reasons to doubt the official 911 consp Reply #60 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:43pm In order to debate, one must first have an opinion to form the basis of their argument. A link to an article is simply a link. It doesn't tell us whether you agree or disagaree with the link or more importantly, why.
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imperial Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 268	Re: the top 40 reasons to doubt the official 911 consp Reply #61 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:43pm in the short time ive been here, ive provided my opinion more than all others combined. im pretty sure you know where im coming from. how bout you give me your pure establishment view of things...or need i only watch cnn?
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Reply #62 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:45pm

We have no idea where you are coming from. You just post links to conspiracy theory websites and expect others to read them. You have barely provided your opinion at all, which is why everyone is wondering whether you have one. You seem to avoid giving your own opinion as much as possible. You even go so far as to post a news report in response to a request for your opinion, claiming that it 'explains it all'. All you seem to do is insist people read the same thing you do.

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Reply #63 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:50pm

imperial wrote on Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:43pm:

in the short time ive been here, ive provided my opinion more than all others combined. im pretty sure you know where im coming from. how bout you give me your pure establishment view of things...or need i only watch cnn?

It takes courage to have an opinion... and effort. You have to defend your own opinion with a reasoned argument and be prepared to be mocked or vilified. Posting other people's opinions in order to hide behind them (the opinion and the sayer) is an act of cowardice or just plain ignorance... or both.

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Reply #64 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:53pm

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i first googled for an aussie political site, i was looking to mock the green, hairy legged, lesbian left, the leftist elite that does rupert and co's bidding, and give the gw liers a bit of stick.....

instead i find an aussie political forum run by a muslim (no offence) with the topics largely muslims defending themselves against slander and attacks....(aint that the way?)

ive been on a few muslim sites and debated yanks and jews in defence of muslims. the best defence is attack.....hehehehe one of the best people ive met online is jewish, and although i dont visit the same sites anymore, we still keep in contact....

my blue isnt with ordinary yanks, jews, poms, etc, etc. my gripe is the stranglehold media has on our lives, their lies, the nwo, the elite, and those that control our elected governments.

there is no question in my mind that democracy is the best way....however, i lament that its been hijacked by corporate industrial interests and powerful wealthy world elite. its not even a conspiracy really. its just fact. politicians dont hold real power....so neither do we.

these people have created a war on terror for their own goals. i mean, how can you conduct a war on a tactic...? iraq and afghan had nothing to do with 911. so why were they invaded? palestinians had their homeland stolen...so are they terrorists or freedom fighters?

ask yourself what have muslims done to deserve the wholesale slaughter that has occured in palestine, iraq, afghanistan and soon iran? NOTHING.....!!!! yet the media has demonised them so effectively, that i give you yourselves as evidence as to their effectiveness at brainwashing.....

i rarely write yarns as long as this as all it really gets is a flippant sentence in reply, and rarely do sheep like yourselves get all introspective........

dont know why i bother......oh..!! thats right.. i just love a debate.
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obviously you blokes cant read....i posted this this morning.

or is this forum for confession???????????????????

YOUR TURN.....!!!!

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Reply #65 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:01pm

imperial wrote on Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:53pm:

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i first googled for an aussie political site, i was looking to mock the green, hairy legged, lesbian left, the leftist elite that does rupert and co's bidding, and give the gw liers a bit of stick.....

instead i find an aussie political forum run by a muslim (no offence) with the topics largely muslims defending themselves against slander and attacks....(aint that the way?)

ive been on a few muslim sites and debated yanks and jews in defence of muslims. the best defence is attack.....hehehehe one of the best people ive met online is jewish, and although i dont visit the same sites anymore, we still keep in contact....

my blue isnt with ordinary yanks, jews, poms, etc, etc. my gripe is the stranglehold media has on our lives, their lies, the nwo, the elite, and those that control our elected governments.

there is no question in my mind that democracy is the best way....however, i lament that its been hijacked by corporate industrial interests and powerful wealthy world elite. its not even a conspiracy really. its just fact. politicians dont hold real power....so neither do we.

these people have created a war on terror for their own goals. i mean, how can you conduct a war on a tactic...? iraq and afghan had nothing to do with 911. so why were they invaded? palestinians had their homeland stolen...so are they terrorists or freedom fighters?

ask yourself what have muslims done to deserve the wholesale slaughter that has occured in palestine, iraq, afghanistan and soon iran? NOTHING.....!!!! yet the media has demonised them so effectively, that i give you yourselves as evidence as to their effectiveness at brainwashing.....

i rarely write yarns as long as this as all it really gets is a flippant sentence in reply, and rarely do sheep like yourselves get all introspective........

dont know why i bother......oh..!! thats right.. i just love a debate.
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obviously you blokes cant read....i posted this this morning.

or is this forum for confession???????????????????

YOUR TURN.....!!!!

You assert that democracy is the best way. Why is democracy the best way? Rich and powerful people have always had enormous influence within a democracy and they don't have to worry about getting elected. Plato thought of democracy as mob rule, particularly after the Athenians condemned Socrates to death (read The Apology and The Republic). Surely if you're worried about powerful people controlling government, you'd be arguing for... what?... communism perhaps... at least for a regime that can arbitrarily confiscate wealth.

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imperial Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 268	Re: the top 40 reasons to doubt the official 911 consp Reply #66 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:03pm you got your opinion earlier. you just got it again. now you want more opinion o,..........................aaaahhhhhh. tell me why you think blue is blue fool......bugger this im outa here..
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Reply #67 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:05pm

imperial wrote on Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:03pm:

you got your opinion earlier. you just got it again. now you want more opinion o,..........................aaaahhhhhh.

tell me why you think blue is blue fool......bugger this im outa here..

As I said, it takes courage to have an opinion... but... well... you're outta here.

Coward.

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Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Re: the top 40 reasons to doubt the official 911 consp Reply #68 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:13pm Oh look, helian. You've scared him away again.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: the top 40 reasons to doubt the official 911 consp Reply #69 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:14pm Acid Monkey wrote on Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:13pm: Oh look, helian. You've scared him away again. Although I notice he's still online...
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: the top 40 reasons to doubt the official 911 consp Reply #70 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:15pm Does anyone else feel like he's completely out of breath and sporadic? All over the place all at once.
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Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Re: the top 40 reasons to doubt the official 911 consp Reply #71 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:17pm Probably hanging around to see the reaction of his indignant exit declaration.
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Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Re: the top 40 reasons to doubt the official 911 consp Reply #72 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:19pm jordan484 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:15pm: Does anyone else feel like he's completely out of breath and sporadic? All over the place all at once. Like a bot? I think FD alluded that before. LOL.
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Reply #73 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:25pm

Imperial, I thanked you in that thread for thinking about what you posted and providing your own opinion. However, that hardly counts as doing it more than everyone else here combined. Giving your opinion is not something you do once and get it over with so you can move on. It's the norm here, as with any discussion board. Backing your opinion up with facts and references is great, but cutting and pasting from other sites with no point or context just wastes everyone's time. Expecting people to follow your orders and read them, without telling them why it might be of some benefit to them, is arrogant. Insisting there is some kind of conspiracy, while refusing to say what the conspiracy is, is a valueless contribution.

The whole point of these discussion forums is that they encourage independent thought. Copying and pasting from other sites, without any interpretation, requires no thought at all. As I pointed out, even a bot can do it. It defeats the purpose of having a forum. We are not here to trade news stories, we are here to question them. If you aren't willing to have your views questioned, you will get no benefit from this site.

There is no point questioning a claim on a third party website if no-one here takes it seriously anyway. It takes time and effort on the part of particpants - which you seem to expect of them for no return. It does little more than save the effort of creating your own strawman.

If you want people to think for themselves and not regurgitate what they read in the media, you should try leading by example. Thoughtless regurgitation of 'alternative media' is not an improvement. It is just thoughtless reliance on a source that is far more likely to be wrong. Unless you share your thoughts, we have no way of knowing whether you have thought at all, and will most likely conclude that you haven't.

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Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Re: the top 40 reasons to doubt the official 911 consp Reply #74 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 2:15pm FD, I think you're preaching to the um.... gone.
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