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Aug 31st, 2008 at 5:26pm
 
SAUDI PREACHERS INCITING MURDER AT UK MOSQUE UK
Daily Mail 31/8/2008
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050917/Revealed-Saudi-women-preaching-hate-British-mosque-promised-clean-act-18-months-ago.html

Hardline female 'preachers of hate' are radicalising Muslim women atone of Britain's top mosques. The Saudi Arabian preachers were secretly filmed ordering women tomurder gays and ex-Muslims. Undercover reporters from Channel 4's Dispatches recorded the lectures in the women's section of Regent's Park Mosque in London.

An unnamed Saudi woman is seen mocking other religions – labelling Christianity 'vile' and an 'abomination'. Another, known as'Angelique', claims Britain is a 'land of evil'. The investigators attended lectures for two months at the mosque,which had promised a clean-up after another Dispatches probe just 18months ago exposed it for spreading extreme Islamic views. During one sermon, a woman called Um Amira says: 'He is Muslim, and he gets out of Islam...what are we going to do? We kill him, kill, kill.'

In the programme, to be screened tomorrow, she adds that womenadulterers should be stoned to death and people who have sex beforemarriage should get '100 lashes'. Regent's Park Mosque is one of the biggest and most prestigiousIslamic institutions in the UK. Opened in 1944 by King George VI, itcan hold up to 5,000 worshippers. After the 2007 Dispatches investigation, which also looked at mosques in Birmingham, West Midlands Police and the Crown Prosecution Service(CPS) claimed Channel 4 had distorted sermons and tried to presscharges. But watchdog Ofcom dismissed their findings and Channel 4 won six-figure libel damages from the police and CPS.

This time, Dispatches returned to Regent's Park Mosque to find exactly the same extremist books on sale there and the female preachers spreading radical Wahhabi Islam. One Saudi woman, who mocks other religions, says: 'We feel nothing sometimes going past the church. What they say with their tongues is so vile and disgusting, it's an abomination.' Another female preacher, Um Saleem, says it 'breaks her heart' to see Muslims 'working in banks, wearing short sleeves...and make-up'.

The man in charge of the mosque, Dr Ahmed Al Dubayan, is Islamic Affairs attaché to the Saudi Embassy. Dispatches claims the mosque haslinks to the Saudi government, which it accuses of spending billionsspreading the Wahhabi message. The Saudi Embassy denied this. Dr Al Dubayan said he did not know the preachers in the documentaryand claimed the mosque 'does not support or condone extreme views'.
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Reply #1 - Aug 31st, 2008 at 10:53pm
 
Most likely they were just mentioning the punishment for certain crimes in the Islamic legal system, not inciting people to murder.

This would be no different to an American in Britain for instance iterating that his country's legal system has capital punishment for certain offenses.

Nothing but sensationalised tripe, really. Not surprising from you though grendel

What more could one expect from a cheap tabloid like the daily mail anyway... Is that where you get all your political views from grendel? Tabloids?  Grin
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Reply #2 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 8:19am
 

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This would be no different to an American in Britain for instance iterating that his country's legal system has capital punishment for certain offenses.


You'd have to wonder why an American in Britain would be going on about America's legal system. Why would these women be mentioning Islamic law while living in Britain? There seems to be little point because they are required to live under British law.......unless, of course, they want to implement Islamic law in Britain....?? Or maybe they're like you abu, re-living the Islamic glory days?
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Reply #3 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 1:16pm
 
You have already said that you hate the saudis, and you have already said that wahabiism is wrong teaching, yet you still defend the extremists who are promoting them, Abu.

That is why people wonder about muslims, and if they are capable of being fair and rational.

When Bush or Cheney does something really rotten, there are millions of westerners who write, and say what a bad thing to do, and we must work to get rid of extremists like that, westerners self regulate, Islam does not.

So once again we have the brand of Islam you profess to hate, preaching obscene violence and murder, yet you ignore that, and attack the newspaper, and the person who posted it.
I think you need to take a long hard look Abu, and decide who is the greatest threat to Islam, westerners, or fundamentalist extremist muslims.
To the rest of the world it is pretty clear.
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Reply #4 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 2:40am
 
Simple Mozz...  if you are a Moslem, other Moslems come first.  No mattter how wrong they are.  They are still preferable to the Kaffir(infidels).
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Reply #5 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 7:59am
 
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You have already said that you hate the saudis, and you have already said that wahabiism is wrong teaching,


I have stated the fact, that the Saudi monarchy is a Western puppet. I've never said anything about "Wahabism". I don't know where you come up with this stuff mozzaok, you must just make it up from post to post? Like the one about me supposedly supporting the Iranian regime? Which mind you, you never even admitted you falsified. Then again, it takes a man of some integrity to admit when he's wrong...

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When Bush or Cheney does something really rotten, there are millions of westerners who write, and say what a bad thing to do


Yeh they write how much of a bad thing they did, then you all sit back and watch them murder innocent civilians all over the place.

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westerners self regulate, Islam does not.


Considering the amount of civilians Western governments have killed compared to how many the Muslim groups have killed, then we can see that your self-regulation works really well indeed.. And yet without self-regulation, look at how restrained we are.

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So once again we have the brand of Islam you profess to hate, preaching obscene violence and murder, yet you ignore that, and attack the newspaper, and the person who posted it.


One has to wonder, did you even read my post?
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Reply #6 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 9:17am
 
I did-

You defended the women

Made a bad analogy

Personally attacked the poster

Attacked the news source
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Reply #7 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 9:56am
 
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I have stated the fact, that the Saudi monarchy is a Western puppet. I've never said anything about "Wahabism


OK.
Clear it up for me then, regardless of whether the west backs them, do you think the saudis are a bad regime? That is, are their actions bad, of themselves, or merely because the regime is supported by some elements in the west?
If they did the same things, without western support, would they then be acceptable?

What is your stance on Wahabiism?
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Clear it up for me then, regardless of whether the west backs them, do you think the saudis are a bad regime? That is, are their actions bad, of themselves, or merely because the regime is supported by some elements in the west?


They are bad for misimplementing Islam, and for betraying the Muslims of Iraq and Palestine and other lands, and housing the armies of non-Muslims who've come to attack the Muslims.

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What is your stance on Wahabiism?


Firstly, there's no real movement known as Wahabism. There was a Wahabi revolt about 200 or so years ago against the Ottoman Caliphate by the son of Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahab and the Saudi clan, but it was put down and it's followers dispersed and exiled from the Arabian Peninsula. Today the Saudi monarchy attempts to use the descendants of Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahab to claim some kind of religious authenticity, but it is a pretty pathetic charade, but they call this movement Salafi, not Wahabi. So if by Wahabism you refer to the Saudi monarchies own 'pseudo-islam' then I'm obviously quite against it. But my guess is you don't really know much about the terminology used here, you just gleaned a few terms here and there from news stories and then go around repeating them.
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Reply #9 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 10:06am
 
jordan,

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You defended the women


I didn't defend anyone, I merely gave a possible explanation as to what they might have been talking about. And showed how sensationalist it is to misconstrue it as calling for murder.

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Attacked the news source


The source is dubious, what can I say... Then again, you come across as someone who'd probably put a lot of faith in cheap tabloids also. These tabloids make money out of sensationalist headlines, that's all that keeps them functioning.

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Reply #10 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 10:09am
 
abu,

I wonder if you can make it through one post without having a personal dig at a member? It seems to be your style. Does it make you feel grand? It's rather dull being a leveler don't you think?
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Reply #11 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 11:06am
 
If the Saudis are misimplementing Islam, and if their version/interpretation is wrong, do you have concerns that Saudi funding may be a way of disseminating their 'wrong' beliefs into the wider community, thereby steering Islam down the wrong path?

If so, how do you guage the extent of this influence, and counter it with 'proper' Islamic principles?
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Reply #12 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 11:48am
 
mozzaok, yes they do use funding to disseminate a wrong idea of Islam, but it's not what you seem to think it is. They disseminate a view of Islam that's subservient to the King and accepts the King even if he assists the non-Muslims top invade and bomb our countries.

I know that you only get your [dis]information from Western media outlets, so therefore it's not a very balanced or broad view. That's why you think the Saudi government fund 'wahabi' extremists, who call for war against the West, but this is just nonsense. The Saudi government themselves are in one of the strongest alliances with the USA, why would they be doing such things? All the Saudi funded groups I've ever come across call to a pacified Islam that will sit down and submit itself to whatever the West dishes out to them, be it bombs dropped on their homes or otherwise. Doesn't agree with the information you've received?

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Reply #13 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 7:59pm
 
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I think its funny that a western puppet doesn't sell it's oil cheap to the west.
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Reply #14 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 9:33pm
 
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I think its funny that a western puppet doesn't sell it's oil cheap to the west.


Considering that the major Saudi oil company is an American oil company in disguise... Your statement doesn't mean much. Aramco (Arabian American Oil Company) was fully owned by 3 US oil companies and 1 British oil company until the late 1980's (around 50 years), when all of a sudden it became 'nationalised' without incident. How is it that the largest oil asset in the world was nationalised without even the slightest murmuring from the US? Because they still own it, that's why.

The vast majority of the US' foriegn oil for domestic consumption comes from Canada, not OPEC.
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