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Why the 'other than' clause?

Humans kill for the same reasons, do you think it's ok? Cos it's natural and animals do it too?

Your logic is flawed.

abu, do me a favour and address my entire post. Don't answer a question with a question. Answer the question then ask another question if you so desire.

Surely a man with such 'logic' and 'intellect' as yours should have no problem doing so.

I'm pretty sure primates don't 'naturally' kill each other on purpose in order for their genes to survive and other such scallywag behaviour.

They do 'naturally' engage in lesbian and gay sex though.

Inside my questions, which are generally quite long, you will notice with your superior intellect and logic, that I have attempted to address your questions and answer them to my reasoning. I haven't just grabbed your question, changed the words and flipped it around to ask you the same question you asked me with different variables.

All animals are similar, but they are not the same.

You can't compare a feline to a ovine, or a canine to a bovine. Well you can.... but not in the sense of all behaviours. A ovine does not stalk and hunt prey, a feline does. However, one thing they have in common is sexual reproduction and sexual urges.

Just like a primate is different from a cetacean. We are primates.

Typical Muslim, everything is related to lustful desires. That is not the case. The point I am making is your religion goes against nature (God) by prohibiting the very things that are normal and in wide occurance in nature.

With your superior intellect and logic, abu, you should not feel the need to flip my questions around, rather you should just answer them and not take advantage of my feeble mind. Maybe you can't answer my questions? Is that the problem?

You concede that post?

So you concede that Islam goes against God?

I guess it must be true, never before have I seen you not defend your faith.

Finally seen the light abu?

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2008 at 1:21pm:

Hahaha. I can see you have a sense of humour, Abu... Nothing like a bit of comic relief!

helian,

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Well he was asking for it, so I couldn't resist spicing up the discussion a little.

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Right, so transpose my response to your analogy back onto the original issue, and you'll see what i mean. A society, that strives to be chaste and morally upright, would not tolerate such transgressors marching down the streets proclaiming their disgusting activities to be normal.

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Not necessarily. If the punishments are stern and serious, then people pretty soon realise it's just not worth it.

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That's because you believe homosexuality to be an acceptable behaviour. For many, perhaps most in the world, it is not acceptable, and we consider it to be a crime. Likewise there are things we consider acceptable, which you consider a crime. Not all people are the same, not all people hold the same moral views about things, you must come to accept this. Your moral code is not universal, not by a long shot.

Tell me, do you think incest between consenting adults should also get the same treatment as homosexuality? If not, why not? And do you not realise that the next generation of Australians will most likely (if current trends continue) consider you conservative for opposing incest, as you perhaps consider your parents (not necessarily applicable to your specific case, but on an inter-generational level this is the gap in views and morals that's largely occured) to be too conservative in theirs regarding homosexuality.

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Or perhaps the inclinations were just a temporary fixation, that the individual will overcome, and they'll go on to have a family and enjoy a normal and happy life. I'm quite aware that you believe a homosexual life to be normal and happy, I however don't, as neither do i believe an adulterous life to be normal and happy.

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A more likely conclusion to draw would be that it successfully helped people to overcome those desires and inclincations which were just a test for them.

It quite clearly didn't tolerate it in any way, shape or form.