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Re: HITLER. WHY DID HE HATE THE JEWS.?
Reply #15 - Sep 25^th, 2008 at 7:03pm

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However in accordance with US requirements, Britain offered independence to any former colony which demanded it and was in a position to self-govern starting immediately after the war, with India declaring its independence in 1947. And as there was nothing undemocratic about independent states choosing to remain associated by joining a commonwealth of nations of former British colonies, American administrations had no argument with it.

Give me some source on this crap.

Ghandi is demanding his incarnation right now.

I have never, ever known of any connection between Ghandi's movement to Independance and post WW2 US requirements.

You are posting rubbish.

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Re: HITLER. WHY DID HE HATE THE JEWS.?
Reply #16 - Sep 25^th, 2008 at 7:19pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 25^th, 2008 at 7:03pm:

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However in accordance with US requirements, Britain offered independence to any former colony which demanded it and was in a position to self-govern starting immediately after the war, with India declaring its independence in 1947. And as there was nothing undemocratic about independent states choosing to remain associated by joining a commonwealth of nations of former British colonies, American administrations had no argument with it.

Give me some source on this crap.

Ghandi is demanding his incarnation right now.

I have never, ever known of any connection between Ghandi's movement to Independance and post WW2 US requirements.

You are posting rubbish.

Well, there's this :

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The historical evidence shows that Roosevelt entered into the military alliance with Britain with only one purpose in mind: the defeat of an enemy. The historical evidence also shows that Franklin Roosevelt was committed to dismantling the British Empire--and all other empires--and to replacing them with sovereign nation-states, modelled on the American constitutional republic, in which each citizen would be given, through access to modern scientific education and Western culture, the opportunity to create a better life for himself and his posterity.

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/FDRlw95.htm

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Clarke traces the intimate and conflicted nature of the “special relationship,” showing how Roosevelt and his successors were determined that Britain must be sustained both during the war and after, but that the British Empire must not; and reveals how the tension between Allied war aims, suppressed while the fighting was going on, became rapidly apparent when it ended.

http://www.amazon.com/Last-Thousand-Days-British-Empire/dp/1596915315

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"Mr. President - Churchill told Roosevelt - I believe you intend to put an end to the British Empire. All your ideas on the post war world demonstrate it. But, in spite of it all, we know that you are our only hope. And you know that we know it. You know that without the United States, the Her Majesty's Empire cannot last."
Churchill, however, made a famous comment in answer to these considerations. It spread throughout the English colonial system regarding the Atlantic Charter article which guaranteed self-determination and the self-government of British colonies after the war: I was not designated Her Majesty's Prime Minister to preside over the liquidation of the empire."

http://laresearchinstitute.blogspot.com/2008/03/roosevelt-and-churchill-by-manue...

Here's an interesting recollection by Elliott Roosevelt of a conversation between the President and Churchill

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/fdrwc.htm

There are hundreds more, but that's enough.

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Re: HITLER. WHY DID HE HATE THE JEWS.?
Reply #17 - Sep 25^th, 2008 at 7:32pm

Did you read this, which is part of your argument....

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All Roosevelt's plans to dismantle the British colonial empire as well as those of France, Holland and Belgium and his view of a new era of development that would arise with the end of colonialism instantly disappeared with his death.
And as history has shown, post-war United States became the new exploiting imperial power, promoting wars and destruction around the world to comply with the American corporate greed, the Gambian paper concludes.

You idiot.

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Re: HITLER. WHY DID HE HATE THE JEWS.?
Reply #18 - Sep 25^th, 2008 at 8:27pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 25^th, 2008 at 7:32pm:

Did you read this, which is part of your argument....

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All Roosevelt's plans to dismantle the British colonial empire as well as those of France, Holland and Belgium and his view of a new era of development that would arise with the end of colonialism instantly disappeared with his death.
And as history has shown, post-war United States became the new exploiting imperial power, promoting wars and destruction around the world to comply with the American corporate greed, the Gambian paper concludes.

You idiot.

It slowed with the death of Roosevelt and was reinvigorated by Eisenhower when he demanded that the British withdraw from the Seuz.

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Re: HITLER. WHY DID HE HATE THE JEWS.?
Reply #20 - Sep 25^th, 2008 at 8:46pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 25^th, 2008 at 8:31pm:

Which British Colony owned the Suez?

Nah.

Don't reply Helian.

Enough is enough.

I am finished here.

You're probably old enough to remember the Suez Crisis. When Britain, still in denial about the end of its empire, ignored Eisenhower's direction not to seize the Suez from Nassar. When Eisenhower ordered the British out, he indicated to the world that Britain no longer had superpower status and the days of empire were over. No nation willingly dismantles its empire.

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #21 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:07am

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:55am:

What makes you think Hitler was a Christian?

I can see where the argument is going with that question. It's heading down the same track as "There are no homosexual Muslims" because their lifestyle is incompatible with Islam. Try to see things beyond the blinkers of your faith.

"Adolph Hitler grew up as an ardent Christian. He was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church in infancy, attended a monastery school, was an altar boy and was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ”. His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest and often wrote of his love for the church and clergy. “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf). This would prove to have a deep impact on him in later life, in fact, while he walked to school every day, he passed a stone arch that bore the monastery’s coat-of-arms, which included a swastika. Hitler, also an artist, painted religious portraits at the time, including one of Mary and Jesus, that we still have today."

The fact is that Hitler was a lifelong Catholic and was never excommunicated by the Church.

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #22 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:10am

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:04am:

I prefer to leave it at "I know that atheism is religion".

I think we should agree to disagree. We've all chewed it over enough. Mental mastication just makes you feel good for a while, but it doesn't actually achieve anything.

Now what definition of 'know' are you using? Is that like "I know that my redeemer liveth" ?

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #23 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:19am

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:10am:

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:04am:

I prefer to leave it at "I know that atheism is religion".

I think we should agree to disagree. We've all chewed it over enough. Mental masticiation just makes you feel good for a while, but it doesn't actually achieve anything.

Now what definition of 'know' are you using? Is that like "I know that my redeemer liveth" ?

So you don't want leave it at that and prefer temporary "feel good" from "mental masticiation"? Cool

Ok. I know because of empirical data from my observation of atheists religious ferver. Also I can make the prediction based on my theory and it will come true, you know like in math "take 1 then add 2 and result will be 3".

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #24 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:30am

I can see where the argument is going with that question. It's heading down the same track as "There are no homosexual Muslims" because their lifestyle is incompatible with Islam.

No, that is not where it is headed at all. If someone like Hitler claimed to be 'with you' to your face, when negotiating for your support, then later turned around and boasted to his mates that he was going to destroy you, common sense would indicate that he wasn't really with you at all, he was just playing you.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #25 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:31am I didn't say that he was a good Catholic. The real reason he exterminated so many Jews was because somewhere within his insane mind, he had Christian belefs. Why otherwise would he focus on the Jews? (That's an unpalatable statement to Christians, but it's probably true)
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49430 At my desk.	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #26 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:33am So someone who plans to destroy the church and replace it with a naturalistic paganism is still a Catholic, but just not a very good one?
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #27 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:37am You need to spilt the thread, FD. I'll reply later when I can.
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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #28 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:39am

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:19am:

Ok. I know because of empirical data from my observation of atheists religious ferver. Also I can make the prediction based on my theory and it will come true, you know like in math "take 1 then add 2 and result will be 3".

Observe this: I'm not interested in religion. Believe what you want.

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #29 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:56am

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:31am:

I didn't say that he was a good Catholic. The real reason he exterminated so many Jews was because somewhere within his insane mind, he had Christian belefs. Why otherwise would he focus on the Jews?

(That's an unpalatable statement to Christians, but it's probably true)

I think there was more prosaic reason for Hitler's focus on the Jews or may be three reasons.

1 as a leader of the looser nation (WW1) he needed scapegoat to explain why.
2 nazi party needed quick free money and industrial control
3 personal psychological reason (his mother had a jewish lover when he was a boy?)

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