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saudi cleric discusses dangers of freedom !!
Oct 1^st, 2008 at 10:13pm

this is classic

"....... the problem is that they want to open a debate on whether islam is true or not and on whetehr judaisnm or christianity are false or not.
In other words, they want to open up everythign up for debate.
Now they want to open up all issues for debate. Thats it.
It begins with freedom of thought, it continues with freedom of thought and it ends up with freedom of belief...."

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_JANc_6Vgok&feature=related

delet it if you want, I have it copied and ready to paste

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: saudi cleric discusses dangers of freedom !! Reply #1 - Oct 1^st, 2008 at 10:31pm Quote: delet it if you want, I have it copied and ready to paste Is this a dare or something sprint?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40679 Gender:	Re: saudi cleric discusses dangers of freedom !! Reply #2 - Oct 1^st, 2008 at 10:36pm there you go, you challenged me so i posted it elsewhere. i ask for your moderation to be taken from you
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: saudi cleric discusses dangers of freedom !! Reply #3 - Oct 1^st, 2008 at 10:38pm Well you'd better petition freediver, I don't have the authority to take my own moderation powers. Or perhaps, as I suspect, you're just happy playing the poor hard done-by censored beacon of hope for the free world
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: saudi cleric discusses dangers of freedom !! Reply #4 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 2:01pm I didn't watch the video, but is he criticising freedom of thought because it risks freedom of belief?
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Re: saudi cleric discusses dangers of freedom !!
Reply #5 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 2:32pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2008 at 10:13pm:

this is classic

"....... the problem is that they want to open a debate on whether islam is true or not and on whetehr judaisnm or christianity are false or not.
In other words, they want to open up everythign up for debate.
Now they want to open up all issues for debate. Thats it.
It begins with freedom of thought, it continues with freedom of thought and it ends up with freedom of belief...."

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_JANc_6Vgok&feature=related

delet it if you want, I have it copied and ready to paste

In all Sharia jurisdictions, any expression of 'unbelief' is not tolerated.

To debate the merits, or not, of ISLAM smacks too much, of a whiff of criticism,
....of ISLAM.

If ISLAM is perfect, and it is [according to devout muslims],
....then what is there to argue????

ISLAM is perfect!!!

And to question ISLAM, is regarded as an 'insult' to ISLAM.

And as ya know, ISLAM is Allah's perfect religion.
.....and the consequences, for 'insulting' Allah's 'perfect' ISLAM ,in a Sharia jurisdiction?
.....[often it is] death.

+++++++++

The words within the Koran, are [regarded by muslims as] the literal words of Allah.

And here he speaks.....

"......This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029

Here is an interesting directive in the Koran, from Allah, to all muslims,
DO NOT ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS!!!....

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.101
v. 101 & 102

So, just obey the clerics folks!

Coz, don't ya know????

.....IGNORANCE IS BLISS.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #6 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 2:48pm

Quote:

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.101

Can someone please confirm for us whether this is a genuine quote from the Koran?

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Reply #7 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 2:53pm

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2008 at 2:48pm:

Quote:

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.101

Can someone please confirm for us whether this is a genuine quote from the Koran?

Hi FD,

If you follow the link given, it is to a site at a Uni in California which hosts ISLAMIC texts for the USA MSA [Muslim Students Association of the USA].

But check it out yourself, by all means.

But, that quote is valid.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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