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Reply #15 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 8:16am
 
queer wrote on Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:15am:
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:08am:
Wow, so you really are a communist.

I wanted to know what the question is, not what the answer is. It seems like it's an answer in need of a question.

The question is "does capitalism really serve the majority?" the answer to that is no, and if the answer is no then what does? the answer to that is socialism!
Socialism is the next logical step after capitalism, as capitalism is not going to last forever (this knowledge can be attained via dialectics) then its only logical that socialism is the next step.


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Reply #16 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 8:22am
 
queer wrote on Oct 6th, 2008 at 8:30am:
mantra wrote on Oct 6th, 2008 at 8:22am:
Great post Queer.  Does this mean that self professed Christians, Jews, Muslims etc. are often hypocrites?   Smiley


ALL religious people are hypocrites in some way or another. I tolerate religious people but I truly wish they occupied their brain with something other than fantasy land stories, they are wasting their potential in my opinion.


There is nothing wrong with occupying your brain with something that motivates.  Why should it concern you with somebody else's personal religion, and why does it matter so much that you have to preach your own religion on a board such as this?
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Reply #17 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 9:10am
 
I don't have a religion, I'm agnostic/semi materialist so I don't adhere to any religion. I don't really know if a "god" exists, I've never seen evidence of one, I don't know if I believe one exists. Its always possible I suppose but in my opinion it is highly unlikely as I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe a god exists. So its not that I believe that Christianity, to be specific, is wrong, to me all religion is wrong as it seems like you all are worshiping an imaginary creation.

Considering I don't really believe that there even is a "god", religion which promotes a very specific god seems mighty extreme to me.
I do however keep an open mind to the concept of "god", if god ever presents himself/herself to me I will change my opinion on him/her.*


*saying god is male is sexist, theres no evidence to say in the bible, if one exists, that god is any sex.
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Reply #18 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 9:17am
 
fair enough point of view queer.
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Reply #19 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 9:19am
 
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saying god is male is sexist, theres no evidence to say in the bible, if one exists, that god is any sex.


The Bible was originally written in Hebrew, since Hebrew is a Semitic language, all nouns must have a gender for grammatical purposes. A table, a car, the sun and the moon all have gender in Semitic languages, doesn't mean they're actually male/female entities, it's just a convention of Semitic languages that they are rendered with a gender.
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Reply #20 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 9:20am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 7th, 2008 at 9:17am:
fair enough point of view queer.

This would be your first humane post towards me, congratulations!
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Reply #21 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 10:22am
 
thanks queer.  Smiley

abu - thought the bible was originally in hebrew, aramaic AND ancient grek ?? Different parts in different languages.
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queer wrote on Oct 7th, 2008 at 9:10am:
I don't have a religion, I'm agnostic/semi materialist so I don't adhere to any religion....... . So its not that I believe that Christianity, to be specific, is wrong, to me all religion is wrong as it seems like you all are worshiping an imaginary creation.

Considering I don't really believe that there even is a "god", religion which promotes a very specific god seems mighty extreme to me.
I do however keep an open mind to the concept of "god", if god ever presents himself/herself to me I will change my opinion on him/her.*

*saying god is male is sexist, theres no evidence to say in the bible, if one exists, that god is any sex.


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ALL religious people are hypocrites in some way or another. I tolerate religious people but I truly wish they occupied their brain with something other than fantasy land stories, they are wasting their potential in my opinion.


I have similar beliefs, but I stop short of calling religious people hypocritical.

We all live about 95% in the hypothetical. Our brain takes shortcuts all the time based on past experiences and prejudices.

If belief in God is something that helps them get through life, where's the harm in it?

You say that you're agnostic, which is an open point of view - then you say that you "tolerate religious people but  truly wish they occupied their brain with something other than fantasy land stories". To me that's anything but an agnostic position, and an assertion that you alone have the key to life the universe and that all 'religious people' are living in a fantasy land.  

Don't worry. I used to see things like that myself.
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Reply #23 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 11:16am
 
People use religion to justify any action they see fit to take part in, thats why I have a problem with it. Religion, if like it is, likely that there is no god, is doing harm because people are following fantasy and not reality.
I'm agnostic because I like to keep an open mind but I'm semi materialist  at the same time and I'm highly skeptical of a so called god. One moment I criticize religion the next I give it some credit so I'm truly torn between the two views because I cant decide if there is or isn't a god. I have been like this for years and honestly I wish I would just decide once and for all either way, but no, I have to sit on the fence of indecision.
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Reply #24 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 11:37am
 
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abu - thought the bible was originally in hebrew, aramaic AND ancient grek ?? Different parts in different languages.


True, but the original parts of the Bible, which existed for many centuries were written in Hebrew. So the concept of God having a gender was formed from this part, rather than the bits you tacked on the end later.

Also note that Aramaic is also a Semitic language, and that Koine Greek (The dialect of the New Testament) also uses gender grammatically for most things, even those that are not alive.
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Reply #25 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 12:08pm
 
queer - drats, again we agree on some topics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes, that some people use a belief for some of their actions and act like robots is unspiritual.
grown-ups take responsibility for their own actions.


abu - quite right. thanks for that.

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Reply #26 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 7:59am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 7th, 2008 at 12:08pm:
queer - drats, again we agree on some topics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thats likely because I'm a person too, not some freaked out sexual deviant.
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Reply #27 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 6:58pm
 
For a very few, it means to take the example of the life of christ, and try to use that to live an exemplary existence, albeit in a false belief in a great afterlife party invite.

Unfortunately for the vast majority,it means to be annoying prigs, whose mission in life is to see their ridiculous moral code applied across the whole society, not too disimiliar to another religion which is a right royal pain in the butt.

Heard a guy on the radio yesterday, a spokesman for the christian lobby, speaking about families, he was a typical PR guy, could not lie straight in bed, totally fake, but obviously a true believer.

No religion should have 'Lobby" groups, they should mind their own business.

I treat religion like venomous snakes, I would prefer to neuther see or hear them, and if I do, I would like them to be going the opposite way to me.
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Reply #28 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 7:10pm
 
queer wrote on Oct 6th, 2008 at 8:15am:
I got this from another forum I use and thought it was funny, its so true too.

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.


6. God didnt have sex with mary, god is the baby.

5. see answer to age of earth above (number 9).

4. the catholic church in its thelogy does not believe you have to be catholic or even christian to go to heaven, john paul said this himself. Christianity offers a guide to a closer relationship with god on earth, it is not a free pass into heaven.

3. toungues, healings, raised people form the dead are all well documented, i could turn this around to you and say "despite all the documentation and witnesses to these miracles you refuse to believe them because of yoru own predispositions."

2. i dont think you understand the concept of prayer, god is like a parent he will  only give us what we genuinly need, not what we constantly ask for, however if we keep asking, like any parent it can have an affect. many christians would say that many of their prayers are answered.

1. Christianity by definition is not measured by knowledge but by faith and love in God and christ, i dont really see how your point is relevent. Oh and for the record I am yet to meet a person of my age with as much knowledge of the bible or church history.




oh and the  old testament was written in herbew as far as i know, perhaps greek in the latter part. the new testament greek and perhaps aramaic i am not sure.
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Reply #29 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 7:22pm
 
from an ignorant non religious person..

why were they... whoever they were, always rewriting the Bible..old to new testament etc.



I dont get this.

Why wasnt the original good enough ?

tampering with a sacred book is surely the ultimate sin.
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