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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: What it means to be a Christian. Reply #30 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 7:23pm The Catholics tampered with the 10 Commandments.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48856 At my desk.	Re: What it means to be a Christian. Reply #31 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 7:39pm the catholic church in its thelogy does not believe you have to be catholic or even christian to go to heaven, john paul said this himself Doesn't Jesus say in the Bible that he is the only way to God?
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Re: What it means to be a Christian.
Reply #32 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 9:30pm

mozzaok - using the definition of "religion" I have, I quite agree with you.

pender - I'ld pretty much agree with all of that.

oceans - good questions.
The old test was before Jesus was born. it is really for Jews.
The New test was after Jesus was born, it is for christians.

There are different versions of the same story.
it has been rewritten to cater to modern language etc.
ie, they took out all the "thee's" and Thou's" of olde worlde language.
It's the same story

freediver - yes, Jesus did say that.
Does not mean you have to be a "christian."
What about ALL the "good" athiests/muslims/hindus ?

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: What it means to be a Christian. Reply #33 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 9:34pm What about the lost tribes in the jungle who have never had contact with the outside world?
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: What it means to be a Christian. Reply #34 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 9:35pm Do you have a response at all to my query Sprint...or is ignorance bliss?
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: What it means to be a Christian. Reply #35 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 9:41pm You're in a jungle of apathy, what do the starving people of the world want?
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Reply #36 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 9:48pm

sorry amadd , was it this question ?

"I've asked this question before: Is it OK if I live the next 30 years in sin and then repent to God to book myself a place in heaven? Or could I limit myself to 3 sins a day as long as I go to confession to seek forgiveness for them?"

Good query.
If that person happily sins for 30 years, thinking they can "do a deathbed" confession, and get off with it all. I think that is a bit off. Do you?
If that person does whatever they want, then after 30 years realises something new, and repents, that is different.

Course, this raises many other questions. That I have NO idea on !!!

easel - exactly. entirely unjust to judge the lost tribes on a basis they are "not christians."
They will be judged by what they have been given. To those that have been given little, little is expected.
To those thay have been given much, much is expected.

"That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows.
But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows.
From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
Luke 12:47,48

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Re: What it means to be a Christian.
Reply #37 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 10:22pm

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Good query.
If that person happily sins for 30 years, thinking they can "do a deathbed" confession, and get off with it all. I think that is a bit off. Do you?
If that person does whatever they want, then after 30 years realises something new, and repents, that is different.

That wasn't the qusestion Sprint.
You need to do some rerearch into whatt I am asking.
You need to answer the question of Zeitgeist. I know it's hard for you, but you must give it a try.
It's a big question of reliigion vs. spirituality (which I've already brought up), and you seem very coy in answering the question.

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Reply #38 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 10:40pm

using my definition of religion vs spirituality, there is NO problem in choosing it at all.

The word religion occurs about 6 times in my bible, every time with bad connotations.
The word spiritual occures many hundreds.

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.
Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."
Galatians 5:1

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Re: What it means to be a Christian.
Reply #39 - Oct 14^th, 2008 at 5:06pm

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 7:39pm:

the catholic church in its thelogy does not believe you have to be catholic or even christian to go to heaven, john paul said this himself

Doesn't Jesus say in the Bible that he is the only way to God?

not exactly.

John 14:6 (New International Version)

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

what this actually means is that there would be no way to the father if it were not for the way paved by jesus. we can be saved because he died for us.

Most Christains (including the catholic church) believe that jews have and will continue to go to heaven under the old covenant, muslims, hindues etc may also go to heaven as we do not know how god will judge them.

the problem is the radical bible groups which take selective quotes from the bible and build theology from there while disregarding other sections.

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