Dialectics made easy:
http://home.igc.org/~venceremos/
http://www.marxists.org/subject/dialectics/index.htm

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2008 at 10:25am:

Lenin said "an equal amount of products for an equal amount of labor"
Marx said "From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need."

So yes, people can work as hard or as little as they like.

If you want to get into an in depth discussion about socialism/communism join REVLEFT forum that I linked you to, I'm certain there will plenty of people willing to discuss it there with you.

They don't contradict one another, it means you will receive an equal amount of *insert whatever here* for an equal amount of labor. Not like how things work in capitalism, for example in capitalism one works 40 hours for a weeks work yet he only receives a fraction of his labor value as a wage. The employer keeps the other fraction as profit, this is called surplus value...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_value.

The choice between socialism and capitalism is an easy one, either you want the system to be for and controlled by, and benefit, the majority or you are happy being exploited by the minority.

The way things are now is we, the majority, work, and in working we make the minority, those with the means of production, wealthy off of our labor, we are not receiving the full value from our labor.

In light of all the facts, I suggest you read some of the links I've provided, socialism is an easy choice to make considering we are being robbed of our rightful wages from our labor. Unless you are bourgeois socialism should appeal to everyone providing you have a correct understanding of socialism and not a capitalist propaganda view of it.


A good book to read is the two volume set of MARX & ENGELS "Selected Works" you can find it on abe books for under $20 for the set if you look around.

What exactly do you mean by "binary", I've only ever heard that used to refer to numbers? Theres numerous meanings for binary and I'm uncertain which you mean.

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It is when the worker gets his labor value. Socialism is only a means to an end by the way, the end being communism.

In that case yes, its either socialism or capitalism, you cant blend the two to please whatever ideology you may have. Both are opposed to each other like - & +.

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2008 at 11:22am:

This is why I didn't want to get into this discussion here on this forum, theres enough of that with all the cappies on RefLeft, its an endless offense/defense game that goes around in circles.

BTW, todays capitalism is nothing like a socialist state would be, if you really want to discuss this go to REVLEFT cause I ain't in the mood to play "my ideology is better than yours" games or "convert" anyone over the interwebz.

No offense intended.

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2008 at 11:30am:

Socialism isn't extreme, its a fair system where everyone is treated as equals and receives equal payment for their labor. Its a system that doesn't discriminate against minority communities. Its a system where a doctor and a street cleaner are treated the same and given the same opportunities in life. Theres no barriers or walls between classes like there is in capitalism as capitalism in inherently a system of class division.