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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: sex with animals Reply #15 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 1:44pm Do you have to touch a woman's skin, or do you have to wash your ears if you merely brush up against her tent in the market place? Does it only refer to humans of the opposite sex? [moderated: Please read the forum guidelines]
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Reply #16 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 3:25pm

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Every Muslim performs Wudhu several times a day, it just means washing your hands, mouth, nose, face, head, ears and feet before you pray. It's not a punishment, it's a requirement for prayer, when any of the following things have occured: going to the toilet, passing wind, touching a member of the opposite sex.

You wash your hands, mouth, nose, face, head, ears and feet after you fart? Anatomy not a strong point for muslims huh?

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Reply #17 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 3:33pm

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Do you have to touch a woman's skin, or do you have to wash your ears if you merely brush up against her tent in the market place?

It must be skin-skin contact. The washing doesn't have to be done after the act, it has to be done before you pray.

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Does it only refer to humans of the opposite sex?

Yes. And more specifically only to mature women, who are marriageable.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: sex with animals Reply #18 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 3:37pm Bwahahahahahahahaha! Oh, I'm sorry abu, it's just that's it's so damn funny I can't contain my laughter! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
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Reply #19 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 3:37pm

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You wash your hands, mouth, nose, face, head, ears and feet after you fart? Anatomy not a strong point for muslims huh?

It is a ritual/spiritual purification, after all that's what the word Ablution means isn't it? English language is not your strong point?

For further inormation, perhaps you can check this Wiki article on Ritual Purification.

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Reply #20 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 3:40pm

So if you don't pass wind between prayers, you don't have to wash? [moderated: please stop being disrespectful and posting this nonsense]

But it is troubling why they even had to go into the issue to begin with.

The comments of Ayatollah Khomeini are troubling. Why would he give such detailed instructions on what to do with the animal afterwards? Why is it OK to sell it to a neighbouring village, but not your own? What problem does his instruction solve?

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: sex with animals Reply #21 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 3:41pm I didn't have a problem with the word, just thought it was odd you washed the wrong parts, but whatever floats your boat, there are far stranger things with Islam.
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: sex with animals Reply #22 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 3:43pm freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2008 at 1:44pm: Do you have to touch a woman's skin, or do you have to wash your ears if you merely brush up against her tent in the market place? Does it only refer to humans of the opposite sex? [moderated: Please read the forum guidelines] Hahahahahahahaha! You were moderated!!!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: sex with animals Reply #23 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 3:46pm Yes I noticed that. It took me a while to remember what it was.
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Reply #24 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 4:47pm

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So if you don't pass wind between prayers, you don't have to wash?

If none of the other causes of minor ritual impurity occur either, yes that's correct.

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The comments of Ayatollah Khomeini are troubling. Why would he give such detailed instructions on what to do with the animal afterwards? Why is it OK to sell it to a neighbouring village, but not your own? What problem does his instruction solve?

Although I'm definitely not defending Khomeini, he may have said that, although I doubt it, that supposed translation is from a joke site, not a Shi'a site, so I wouldn't attach too much authenticity to it. Since you don't know Persian, and neither do I, they could just write anything, and you'd believe it?

Just a warning freediver, if you keep just using this thread to make nonsensical slanders against Islam, or even against Shi'a, I will just close the thread. If you want to actually discuss this issue, then do it with a little respect. Perhaps also try messaging Malik to ask him to respond.

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Reply #25 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 4:49pm

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I didn't have a problem with the word, just thought it was odd you washed the wrong parts, but whatever floats your boat, there are far stranger things with Islam.

There's no 'wrong' parts because it's not a cleansing of physical impurities, it's a cleansing of spiritual impurities. You should read the link I gave, it explains that it does not necessarily correspond to physical cleansing. Also this is something that exists in most religions, including Christianity and Judaism.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: sex with animals Reply #26 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 4:55pm I did try asking you directly what Islamic law is on the issue, but you insisted it was nonsense or tried to deflect me to Shiits. I'm just trying to get you to asnwer the question.
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Reply #27 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 4:59pm

No, I told you that I could not find a ruling on it, as it has probably never occurred in Islamic society before.

Telling you to ask a Shi'a is not a deflection, because the original document you linked to is quite clearly what looks to be a Shi'a book, and the other dubious quote by tallowood is also Shi'a related.

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I'm just trying to get you to asnwer the question.

I can't answer the question if there's no answer to give. Just like I can't answer if a Muslim has to pay blood money if he accidentally killed an alien from the Delta Quadrant, because no such ruling exists.

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Reply #28 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 5:03pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 7^th, 2008 at 4:49pm:

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I didn't have a problem with the word, just thought it was odd you washed the wrong parts, but whatever floats your boat, there are far stranger things with Islam.

There's no 'wrong' parts because it's not a cleansing of physical impurities, it's a cleansing of spiritual impurities. You should read the link I gave, it explains that it does not necessarily correspond to physical cleansing. Also this is something that exists in most religions, including Christianity and Judaism.

There you go, deflecting to other religions, when are you going to get it that I couldn't give a stuff about other religions either. The fact that if you pass wind you have to clean your face etc before praying remains hysterical and nonsensical to me, regardless of the fact that it may be a spiritual cleansing. Grin

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Reply #29 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 5:11pm

No, I told you that I could not find a ruling on it, as it has probably never occurred in Islamic society before.

If it has never occurred, why would Ayatollah Khomeini go into so much detail about it? Why would the Shiits have specific rules about washing afterwards? Claiming that it never occurs in any society is a bit naive.

Just like I can't answer if a Muslim has to pay blood money if he accidentally killed an alien from the Delta Quadrant, because no such ruling exists.

But if that actually happened, they would have to make case law based on old rules?

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