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Reply #45 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:07pm
 
Firstly your manner in posting it has made it quite obvious you're seeking to tarnish Islam with it.

Actually, that is down to your response. I psoted a simple question. You could have chosen to see it as a simple question with a simple answer, but instead you chose to get wound up about it.

If you were just asking a question, you would've realised about 20 posts back that it's clearly not something allowed in Islam.

Why would I deduce that, when the evidence points the other way? Should I assume it is forbidden just because you insist it is disgusting?
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Reply #46 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:12pm
 
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I don't believe the Shiits and the Sunnis are so different that...


You're free to believe as you wish.

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I think it is a far more reasonable interpretation that they have the same take on the issue which is based on the same book.


This just indicates you know absolutely nothing about Shi'a and Mainstream, or even about basic evidences in Islam. The primary text of Islam is the Qur'an. the Secondary text is the Hadith, and a tertiary source is books of Fiqh (rulings made by scholars from the two primary sources). Shi'a and Mainstream both accept the Qur'an, but do not agree about the Hadith, the two having completely seperate books of Hadith. As for Fiqh, Mainstream and Shi'a don't share not even a single book of Fiqh out of the thousands written. They are completely seperate. That book you quoted from has absolutely no authority at all to the Mainstream Muslims, it has no more authority than the Bible or the Vedas, ie. zilch.

So you can believe and think what you want, but it's not grounded in reality.
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Reply #47 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:14pm
 
So Shiits and Sunnis do differ on their rulings regarding bestiality?
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Reply #48 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:15pm
 

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Why would I deduce that, when the evidence points the other way? Should I assume it is forbidden just because you insist it is disgusting?


All sexual acts are fobidden in Islam, except between a man and his wife. Anything else, like green aliens from the Delta Quadrant, bestiality, homosexuality or any other deviancy you can bring forward is strictly forbidden.
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Reply #49 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:16pm
 
What about masturbation?
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Reply #50 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:17pm
 
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So Shiits and Sunnis do differ on their rulings regarding bestiality?


In mainstream Islam it's definitely forbidden.

Since you haven't actually brought forth a ruling from the Shi'a that says it's allowed, I can't really comment on whether we therefore differ. Bring one forward, and then ask.
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Reply #51 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:18pm
 

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What about masturbation?


Yes forbidden, as  I said, anything outside of husband and wife is forbidden.
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Reply #52 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:36pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:12pm:
[quote]The primary text of Islam is the Qur'an. the Secondary text is the Hadith, and a tertiary source is books of Fiqh (rulings made by scholars from the two primary sources). Shi'a and Mainstream both accept the Qur'an, but do not agree about the Hadith, the two having completely seperate books of Hadith. As for Fiqh, Mainstream and Shi'a don't share not even a single book of Fiqh out of the thousands written. They are completely seperate.



Islam  - as the final revealed word of god, immuably present in heaven since creation -  is as multifarious, varied and interpretation-bound as any human text.

It is crazy to insist that something so divergent is and so bound up in mutually exclusive and historically situated interpretationss of its authority and meaning to be beyond criticism, examination, (god forbid) contradiction. Only madmen can insist that despite its so obvious variances of interpretation, it should be still treated as if it was coherent, cohesive or supernatural.
And we haven't even looked at the details, only at the baisc divergence you identified.

No wonder Islam has ruled reasoning beyond the pale.

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Reply #53 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:41pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:18pm:
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What about masturbation?


Yes forbidden, as  I said, anything outside of husband and wife is forbidden.

Oh you poor bastard, that's why you're so cranky! It all makes sense to me now!
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Reply #54 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 8:08pm
 
I have a video from a few years ago I got in an email, it's entitled something like 'These are the people we are supposed to protect?' and it is a thermal video taken at night from either a stationary helo or a vehicle and it has two Iraqi young ADULTS engaging in intercourse with a donkey...
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Reply #55 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 8:12pm
 
easel wrote on Oct 7th, 2008 at 8:08pm:
I have a video from a few years ago I got in an email, it's entitled something like 'These are the people we are supposed to protect?' and it is a thermal video taken at night from either a stationary helo or a vehicle and it has two Iraqi young ADULTS engaging in intercourse with a donkey...


Don't be silly. Muslims don't do that. If they did, they would have a law forbidding it,

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 7th, 2008 at 7:18pm:
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What about masturbation?


Yes forbidden, as  I said, anything outside of husband and wife is forbidden.


Are you joking? What is the punishment?
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Reply #56 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 8:17pm
 
I don't think Christians are allowed to do one eyed snake charming either, something about self gratifying behaviour.

Hahahaha.

I remember during sex ed at the Catholic school, I kept asking about it and if it's a sin and all this, so they got the priest to come down.

"Boys can do it but girls can't."

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Reply #57 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 8:26pm
 
easel - i tend to agree with you.
cant really quote it for you, but that is my impression.

mind you, i "sin" on a few things.

typical xian   Smiley
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Reply #58 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 1:27pm
 
easel wrote on Oct 7th, 2008 at 8:08pm:
I have a video from a few years ago I got in an email, it's entitled something like 'These are the people we are supposed to protect?' and it is a thermal video taken at night from either a stationary helo or a vehicle and it has two Iraqi young ADULTS engaging in intercourse with a donkey...


I know it is pointless complaining about being censored, your the moderator. But if you can't answer here I will ask in one of the other forums.

Was my reply deleted because I said "the donkey being the victim should be punished" or was it due to a play on words referring to an attractive uncovered ass?


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Reply #59 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 1:47pm
 
locutius wrote on Oct 9th, 2008 at 1:27pm:
easel wrote on Oct 7th, 2008 at 8:08pm:
I have a video from a few years ago I got in an email, it's entitled something like 'These are the people we are supposed to protect?' and it is a thermal video taken at night from either a stationary helo or a vehicle and it has two Iraqi young ADULTS engaging in intercourse with a donkey...


I know it is pointless complaining about being censored, your the moderator. But if you can't answer here I will ask in one of the other forums.

Was my reply deleted because I said "the donkey being the victim should be punished" or was it due to a play on words referring to an attractive uncovered ass?




I don't moderate in here.
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