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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40751 Gender:	homosexuality cannot be genetic Oct 7^th, 2008 at 10:59am imho, homosexuality could not be genetic. Else there would be none existing. They would die out rapidly.
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: homosexuality cannot be genetic Reply #1 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 11:10am Hmmm. Interesting point Sprintcyclist. But if it happens intra-womb it's probably passed on from ancestors. It could also be a minor chromosone alteration which can occur naturally - I think.
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Reply #2 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 11:10am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 7^th, 2008 at 10:59am:

imho, homosexuality could not be genetic.

Else there would be none existing. They would die out rapidly.

That would only apply for those who are exclusively homosexual. Do you ever wonder how some women seem to be attracted to metrosexual types (slick dressers) and even full on gays? In my younger years I found it to be very frustrating. Maybe some fringe homosexual traits have advantages for reproduction.

Do some people become more homosexual at different stages in their lives?

My own view is that it's a mixture of nature and nurture.

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queer Full Member Offline Socialism is the answer! Posts: 117 SA Gender:	Re: homosexuality cannot be genetic Reply #3 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 11:19am Homosexuality is perfectly natural, what causes it I don't know but I do know its not a conscious choice one makes in life, you are either attracted to the same sex or you are not, you cannot force yourself to be so.
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: homosexuality cannot be genetic Reply #4 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 11:26am I don't think it's a genetic thing, probably more likely to be due to hormones the fetus is (or isn't) exposed to in utero and the amounts of these hormones at different developmental stages. There has been some research into birth order and older sibling sex as well, which may support the hormone theory.
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Reply #5 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 11:53am

Else there would be none existing. They would die out rapidly.

That is not necessarily true. Plenty of species, even mammals, have members that do not reproduce, but instead assist with the rearing of the offspring of siblings, parents etc. Given that they share so much in common genetically, they are increasing the liklihood of their genes being passed on by doing so. There are plenty of different strategies that 'work' in a Darwinian sense.

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: homosexuality cannot be genetic Reply #6 - Oct 15^th, 2008 at 1:43pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 7^th, 2008 at 10:59am: imho, homosexuality could not be genetic. Else there would be none existing. They would die out rapidly. There very well may be a genetic predisposition. However there more factors than genetics involved.
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Reply #7 - Oct 15^th, 2008 at 2:18pm

queer wrote on Oct 7^th, 2008 at 11:19am:

Homosexuality is perfectly natural, what causes it I don't know but I do know its not a conscious choice one makes in life, you are either attracted to the same sex or you are not, you cannot force yourself to be so.

That makes perfect sense. The thought of a straight person suddenly choosing to be gay is totally inane. I can only speak for myself, but my stomach and the rest of my body would revolt at the thought. (eeew)

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Reply #8 - Oct 15^th, 2008 at 2:22pm

I disagree Sprint, genetics is far from understood, it is a new science, and the variables are mind boggling, so I certainly would challenge your simplistic interpretation that if the parents aren't gay then the kid can't be, due to his hetero biology.

I have had many gay friends, and I knew some who were raving queens, and others who you would never pick unless they told you, I don't think any of them 'decided' to be gay because they thought it was cool.

You just have to think of your own experiences, do you ever find the sight of a guy sexually arousing?

I know some people can close their eyes, and fantasise about who they would like to be with, and perform sex with someone they do not really find attractive, but they are just deceiving themselves, and whoever they are with, if they do that.

I have known just too many gay people who are not shallow and puerile enough to fake their sexuality, they just choose to accept who they are, and what they are, just as god made them.

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Reply #9 - Oct 17^th, 2008 at 6:12pm

Sprint, the original Mendel's experiments prove you wrong.
The same genotype (genetic composition) can produce different phenotypes (outward physical manifestations) thus while homosexual phenotype may not produce offspring heterosexual phenotype may still contain homosexual gene, which is recessive at that particular combination but it will be passed on to a heterosexual's offspring and become dominant in some future generations, e.g if both of heterosexual pair have recessive genes, which recombined may become dominant and manifest itself in homosexual phenotype.

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Reply #10 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 7:46am

October 27, 2008

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IN THE largest ever genetic study of transsexuals, Australian researchers have discovered a DNA variation linked to male-to-female transsexualism.

The finding strengthens the view that there is a biological reason why some people feel they are living in the wrong body, in this case men who have an strong desire to live as a woman.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: homosexuality cannot be genetic Reply #11 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:26am Sexuality.... hmmm... If it's completely genetic how do you explain previously hetero males whilst in prison taking part in homosexual practices and then when released reverting back to hetero again? Do they undergo some miraculous genetic change?
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Reply #12 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:37am

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Sexuality.... hmmm... If it's completely genetic how do you explain previously hetero males whilst in prison taking part in homosexual practices and then when released reverting back to hetero again?

Do they undergo some miraculous genetic change?

That's a bit different and easily explained. There are no females in prison.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: homosexuality cannot be genetic Reply #13 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:39am Yet another missed point mantra?
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: homosexuality cannot be genetic Reply #14 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:40am Quote: Yet another missed point mantra? You keep saying this....but I can't see your point.
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